My stance is as long as you are 18+ there is nothing in video games that we don't see in Television and film. I would not ban this, just make it AO rating and very difficult to purchase.
I have zero interest in playing this, its disgusting but I always am weary of banning or trying to force game developers into not putting out something that might shock or offend.
This is where I stand as well. I thought that trailer was disturbing and this isn't a game I am interested in playing but I also don't believe in banning things. I am one of those people who believes games are art and that means sometimes having to accept the ####ty art along with the good.
These days everyone calls for games to get banned when something offends them. I think it robs developers of their creative freedom and it hurts gamers from getting some interesting titles. Six Days in Fallijah is one that comes to mind. I don't think this is one of those titles but I don't know if it's much different from games like Postal or Manhunt. Or mowing down civilians in an airport (CoD:MW2). Context is obviously everything but I think the people who commit these acts in real life will do them regardless of Hatred's existence.
Destructive Creations put out a highly offensive and disturbing trailer just asking for media outlets to blow it up and they took the bait hook, line and sinker. Hatred has way more press and exposure than it ever should have and that's exactly what they wanted.
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I remember discussing in a gamer forum about sexually explicit games, and we got into a discussion about a game in Japan called Rapelay, yes, a game where you track down and try to rape one at a time, 3 sisters.....
My stance was the same there, kind of because I think eventually when games become quite real that we should allow the sick and depraved outlets to get their fantasy full-filled, instead of doing it in real life.
I'm not one to be easily shocked, but as far as I can tell in this game you play a mass murderer gunning down innocent people. With so many multiple mass shootings in recent memory, I have no idea WTF the developers are thinking
Yikes, that was pretty bad. I doubt a publisher will even go near this, so no need to worry about it ever being on store shelves. Independent game developers have been making shocking/offensive crap like this for years -- there were independent games of shooting up Columbine and such. They never get any market support, of course.
Well, I dunno...sure doesn't seem like something that shouldn't be around, but then again, people should be able to make that decision on their own. It's just too bad that the people that most likely should not be exposed to this type of stuff will most likely be the same people buying and playing it.
I guess my final answer is no. I don't believe anything should be banned. It's just too bad people make things like this. Sad really.
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Manhunt at least had you going after other criminals though, in a confined environment full of psychopaths
I don't believe that context really makes a difference to a person with those kinds of violent tendencies. People have imaginations and will invent their own interpretations to suit their needs. Those people probably don't play a game like Manhunt and justify their actions based around the fact that they're killing psychopaths. All that probably matters is that they can kill people in a variety of gruesome ways.
This is where I stand as well. I thought that trailer was disturbing and this isn't a game I am interested in playing but I also don't believe in banning things. I am one of those people who believes games are art and that means sometimes having to accept the ####ty art along with the good.
These days everyone calls for games to get banned when something offends them. I think it robs developers of their creative freedom and it hurts gamers from getting some interesting titles. Six Days in Fallijah is one that comes to mind. I don't think this is one of those titles but I don't know if it's much different from games like Postal or Manhunt. Or mowing down civilians in an airport (CoD:MW2). Context is obviously everything but I think the people who commit these acts in real life will do them regardless of Hatred's existence.
Destructive Creations put out a highly offensive and disturbing trailer just asking for media outlets to blow it up and they took the bait hook, line and sinker. Hatred has way more press and exposure than it ever should have and that's exactly what they wanted.
I think that there is a fairly liberal interpretation around the term art, and people use it to justify absolutely everything so that they can be seen as enlightened or accepting.
I think there was a case a few years back where a pedo tried to justify his videos and pictures of little kids in sexual positions and being touched as art.
Its not art.
This game isn't art by any stretch.
There is nothing new or revolutionary about it or aesthetically prone to interpretation.
Its several levels below the guy who pissed in a jar and through a crucifix in it.
This game is murder porn, its a virtual snuff movie that appeals to the lowest people in society.
Its not that innovative of a game, Even if the ending is a no matter what happens the character gets a needle in his arm, its disturbing and disgusting.
But the old saying is controversy creates cash, this takes it to an extreme, but I doubt that its going to lead to a lot of cash. There is no one that is going to distribute it in stores, and none of the main stream game streaming sites are going to carry this abomination.
It will probably find a small and devote group of consumers who will pay a lot of money to fulfil a pretty sick fantasy.
i know that if I had a kid and I saw him playing that game, we'd be having a pretty serious talk about it, then I'd wipe it out of existence forever.
This game though will become a huge lightning rod against the gaming industry if god forbid some thrill killing mass shooter has it loaded on his hard drive.
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I'm curious, if there was today a version as realistic as the Holodeck on Star Trek available and people could experience any and all fantasies through those, do you think we would have less violence, less sexual crimes, etc?
I'm honestly not sure, but I wonder if disturbed people have an outlet if they would still need it to be done in real life.
I'm curious, if there was today a version as realistic as the Holodeck on Star Trek available and people could experience any and all fantasies through those, do you think we would have less violence, less sexual crimes, etc?
I'm honestly not sure, but I wonder if disturbed people have an outlet if they would still need it to be done in real life.
Because people would know that its not real, the reactions and sensations aren't real, I don't think it would make much of a difference. I think if they were that sick that they needed to satisfy their curiosity with a holodeck murder of Riker while you violate Crusher and then stab her to death. Eventually it will lose its shine and you'll want to actually do the real thing.
A video game will pull you out of that "reality everytime you look away from your monitor"
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It's a shame, had the regular people been zombies, this would actually appear to be a potentially decent selling game. Instead, they ruined it by being a GTA style rampage, which everyone does once for fun, then stops cause it's just not actually fun.
Those animations while being well done are just sickening really. Even movies with gore don't get into that much detail of carrying out the murder.
It's a shame, had the regular people been zombies, this would actually appear to be a potentially decent selling game. Instead, they ruined it by being a GTA style rampage, which everyone does once for fun, then stops cause it's just not actually fun.
Those animations while being well done are just sickening really. Even movies with gore don't get into that detail of the action.
Zombies don't cry and beg for mercy and scream like that as they're being stabbed to death.
That game shooting zombies and without those animations is a below average video game that looks like an enhanced version of postal.
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I'm curious, if there was today a version as realistic as the Holodeck on Star Trek available and people could experience any and all fantasies through those, do you think we would have less violence, less sexual crimes, etc?
I'm honestly not sure, but I wonder if disturbed people have an outlet if they would still need it to be done in real life.
I doubt it would have any difference either way.
If it had, we probably woulda seen some difference already as there are tons of outlets we have that were not available years before. Video games, movies, music, shoot, activities like paintball even.
Sick people are going to want to try regardless of what they see or do, good or bad I'm guessing. You occasionally hear of someone getting an idea from something sick like this, but if it wasn't a video game, it'd be something else. People claimed they got ideas from Marquis du Sade writings years ago. People have had places to get sick ideas since we could communicate with each other in ways more complicated than grunts.
Really the only thing that does tend to push people down paths like that is real life experiences of tragedy and violence. Like war, abuse, etc. It's these real world things that we should pay more attention to.
I think sometimes activities in the vein of GTA or violent music lyrics might give a well adjusted person an opportunity to blow off steam, but I don't think it's really going to matter one way or another to a person who is already thinking about those things. It's just what they gravitate towards. I don't think it helps them or spurs them on.
Of course there will always be outlier cases, but I've never seen any statistics that would prove that outlets like this are harmful or helpful.
Because people would know that its not real, the reactions and sensations aren't real, I don't think it would make much of a difference. I think if they were that sick that they needed to satisfy their curiosity with a holodeck murder of Riker while you violate Crusher and then stab her to death. Eventually it will lose its shine and you'll want to actually do the real thing.
A video game will pull you out of that "reality everytime you look away from your monitor"
lol that was specific, why do you hate Riker so much Cap??
I think that there is a fairly liberal interpretation around the term art, and people use it to justify absolutely everything so that they can be seen as enlightened or accepting.
I think there was a case a few years back where a pedo tried to justify his videos and pictures of little kids in sexual positions and being touched as art.
Its not art.
This game isn't art by any stretch.
There is nothing new or revolutionary about it or aesthetically prone to interpretation.
Its several levels below the guy who pissed in a jar and through a crucifix in it.
This game is murder porn, its a virtual snuff movie that appeals to the lowest people in society.
Its not that innovative of a game, Even if the ending is a no matter what happens the character gets a needle in his arm, its disturbing and disgusting.
But the old saying is controversy creates cash, this takes it to an extreme, but I doubt that its going to lead to a lot of cash. There is no one that is going to distribute it in stores, and none of the main stream game streaming sites are going to carry this abomination.
It will probably find a small and devote group of consumers who will pay a lot of money to fulfil a pretty sick fantasy.
i know that if I had a kid and I saw him playing that game, we'd be having a pretty serious talk about it, then I'd wipe it out of existence forever.
This game though will become a huge lightning rod against the gaming industry if god forbid some thrill killing mass shooter has it loaded on his hard drive.
You pretty much just described what parents/politicians thought when Grand Theft Auto when it first came out, and every version after.
If someone goes on a killing rampage, their issues dwell much deeper then a video game.
I'll also probably get this game, as I like disgusting violence in my games.
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Manhunt wasn't really anything close to this game. Manhunt was "controversial" because the whole game was based around executing people, but the set up is the difference: In Manhunt you've been forced into a snuff film and are trying to escape, and really only kill other terrible people (white supremacists, pedophiles, other sociopaths), whereas Hatred sounds like simply going around and commit mass murders of innocent people.
Also Manhunt was a great game. One of the most tense games you'll ever play, even more fun if you had to PS2 headset as you had to regulate your breathing so as not to get caught. Quite a fun game actually and most of the executions were done in an almost darkly comical fashion.
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