Gaudreau Progress / Development

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Ice time has been declining since the start of the season, which isn't necessarily indicative of poor play. It just tells me he's needing some time to adjust to the pace of the NHL regular season. It's quite a leap going from college hockey to the NHL in the span of a few short months.

Send him down to the minors for a stint. Let him get 20 minutes a game and gain some confidence playing against bigger, faster players. It's not like this is punishment or a sign that his development has stalled or regressed. I think it'd be a good step in his development actually.

He's 21 years old, no need to rush him into the line up of a rebuilding team if he's not quite ready.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Why was it ok for Jooris to play on Monahan's line but not ok for Gaudreau? Everyone here knows Hartley has JG playing with line mates that he has ZERO chemistry with.

The more I watch Hartley and the decisions that he makes, the more I think that he WANTS Gaudreau to fail up here and be sent down to Addy.

This just doesn't make sense. Why scratch JG and then bring in Jooris to play, not on Colborn's line, but Monahan's line? Why was it ok for Jooris to play with Monahan but not Gaudreau?

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jooris is a line I'd like to see for a few shifts. All three have had chemistry as pairs. Hudler needs to be on a line with Glencross and Backlund so we can have an actual top line (not much of one, but if a computer were to do our lines, that's what #1 would be).

Monahan and Gaudreau think the game at the same level. jooris is a high motor guy who seems pretty good at getting the puck back. They seem like they'll go well together.

Ultimately however, I think Hartley's priority is acclimating Monahan to the #2C role, and Jooris/Gaudreau is a third line at best. So it probably won't happen.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Gaudreau-Monahan-Jooris is a line I'd like to see for a few shifts. All three have had chemistry as pairs. Hudler needs to be on a line with Glencross and Backlund so we can have an actual top line (not much of one, but if a computer were to do our lines, that's what #1 would be).

Monahan and Gaudreau think the game at the same level. jooris is a high motor guy who seems pretty good at getting the puck back. They seem like they'll go well together.

Ultimately however, I think Hartley's priority is acclimating Monahan to the #2C role, and Jooris/Gaudreau is a third line at best. So it probably won't happen.

Maybe Monahan is not yet ready to be our second center. Perhaps Stajan has to go back to the role for a bit.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Why was it ok for Jooris to play on Monahan's line but not ok for Gaudreau? Everyone here knows Hartley has JG playing with line mates that he has ZERO chemistry with.

The more I watch Hartley and the decisions that he makes, the more I think that he WANTS Gaudreau to fail up here and be sent down to Addy.

This just doesn't make sense. Why scratch JG and then bring in Jooris to play, not on Colborn's line, but Monahan's line? Why was it ok for Jooris to play with Monahan but not Gaudreau?

This kind of sentiment is just ridiculous.

Bob Hartley, like every single coach at every level of profesional hockey, has one goal to achieve. Wins. That's why he does what he does and thats what will ultimately determine his future with the Flames. His job is, indeed, to win. Period.

Purposely sabotaging a player the entire team and city is enthralled with and cheering for would be a totally anti-winning course. In fact, his future may very well hinge on making sure guys like Gaudreau and others succeed in the NHL and contributing to a winning style...that would see him getting another contract as much as anything else he could do.

[mile]

Blaming Gaudreau's ineffectiveness on linemates and complaining about why another player like Jooris gets 'better' linemates is lame. It's not like Raymond and Colborne have been awful.

Baffling that some think Hartley actually has any sort of malicious intent and wants to see any player of his failing.

[GoodUncle]

Originally Posted by FBI

Here's a thought: Maybe playing Johnny with Monahan will actually help spark Monahan's game too?

I like that. Good point FBI.

[GoodUncle]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Hard to get points when you get not PP or OT time, and get limited minutes.

I agree he has looked tentative at times, but I'm not sure he's necessarily being put in a position to succeed either.

well said.

[GoodUncle]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Johnny's been trying to feed his linemates in transition on a consistent basis. But the plays constantly dies on their sticks. Then he eventually tries to do something himself and makes something happen later in a game when they fail to generate anything. I've seen Colborne try to carry the puck in himself to make a play (just to lose it) more times than I've seen him look for Johnny to make a play. These aren't suitable linemates, they run and gun but can't cycle the puck. You need a line that can drive possession once in a while and can get him the puck in the offensive zone to actually serve his purpose for being on the team. How is that not simple to see or understand? Well that's the problem I'm seeing here.

You sir are a smart man!

[GoodUncle]

Originally Posted by mile

Baffling that some think Hartley actually has any sort of malicious intent and wants to see any player of his failing.

I'm not saying your wrong.....but I am curious how you could possibly think it couldn't be possible?

Things of this nature happen all the time all over the place, the world is full of trickery. And just because I believe that doesn't mean I have to blind myself to the virtue that is out there either.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This kind of sentiment is just ridiculous.

Bob Hartley, like every single coach at every level of profesional hockey, has one goal to achieve. Wins. That's why he does what he does and thats what will ultimately determine his future with the Flames. His job is, indeed, to win. Period.

Purposely sabotaging a player the entire team and city is enthralled with and cheering for would be a totally anti-winning course. In fact, his future may very well hinge on making sure guys like Gaudreau and others succeed in the NHL and contributing to a winning style...that would see him getting another contract as much as anything else he could do.

Bob Hartley, like every single coach at every level of professional hockey, has players that he likes and those that he doesn't.
What makes you think, that at this point in Gaudreau's career, that Hartley likes him? After all, you said yourself, "the entire team and city is enthralled with (Gaudreau) and cheering for"

Maybe, because of that, Hartley was forced to keep Gaudreau here in Calgary and send Jooris down.. and Hartley resents that and is doing nothing to help Gaudreau stay here (just a theory mind you) and now that Jooris is back he puts him on the top line (which a ton of people have been begging him to do with Gaudreau) and where is Gaudreau? Sitting in the press box watching Jooris play with Monahan and Hudler.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Bob Hartley, like every single coach at every level of professional hockey, has players that he likes and those that he doesn't.
What makes you think, that at this point in Gaudreau's career, that Hartley likes him? After all, you said yourself, "the entire team and city is enthralled with (Gaudreau) and cheering for"

Maybe, because of that, Hartley was forced to keep Gaudreau here in Calgary and send Jooris down.. and Hartley resents that and is doing nothing to help Gaudreau stay here (just a theory mind you) and now that Jooris is back he puts him on the top line (which a ton of people have been begging him to do with Gaudreau) and where is Gaudreau? Sitting in the press box watching Jooris play with Monahan and Hudler.

It's painful reading stuff like this. Gaudreau has been involved in Hartely's summer camp for kids two years in a row, and he's talked at length about how much he likes Johnny and how special a player he thinks he is.

Lose the tin foil hat.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by mile

Blaming Gaudreau's ineffectiveness on linemates and complaining about why another player like Jooris gets 'better' linemates is lame. It's not like Raymond and Colborne have been awful.

Baffling that some think Hartley actually has any sort of malicious intent and wants to see any player of his failing.

No... Raymond and Colborne have been pretty good. However, Raymond, Colborne, and Gaudreau suck. Watching this line play is like watching two buddies play together and then there's Gaudreau... the guy they got stuck with and really don't want there.

[GoodUncle]

Originally Posted by Rerun

No... Raymond and Colborne have been pretty good. However, Raymond, Colborne, and Gaudreau suck. Watching this line play is like watching two buddies play together and then there's Gaudreau... the guy they got stuck with and really don't want there.

Touche Rerun....Touche.....

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's painful reading stuff like this. Gaudreau has been involved in Hartely's summer camp for kids two years in a row, and he's talked at length about how much he likes Johnny and how special a player he thinks he is.

Lose the tin foil hat.

Then why does it look like Jooris has been given a better opportunity to succeed than Gaudreau? Why does Jooris get to play on the top line with two very creative players and Gaudreau on the third line with two players who basically just know how to go North/South and dump it in and have limited puck handling skills?
Why has Hartley refused to try Gaudreau on a different line with more skilled players that will compliment his puck handling skills? What make Jooris so special?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Why was it ok for Jooris to play on Monahan's line but not ok for Gaudreau? Everyone here knows Hartley has JG playing with line mates that he has ZERO chemistry with.

The more I watch Hartley and the decisions that he makes, the more I think that he WANTS Gaudreau to fail up here and be sent down to Addy.

This just doesn't make sense. Why scratch JG and then bring in Jooris to play, not on Colborn's line, but Monahan's line? Why was it ok for Jooris to play with Monahan but not Gaudreau?

You say it yourself:

Originally Posted by Rerun

This just doesn't make sense.

So, maybe some other explanation?

[GoodUncle]

Originally Posted by the2bears

You say it yourself:



So, maybe some other explanation?

just a thought...... but maybe it was rhetorical???

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by the2bears

You say it yourself:



So, maybe some other explanation?

Yeah, I'd love to hear an explanation as to why Jooris, in his first NHL game, is suitable to play with Monahan and Hudler, but Gaudreau isn't.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Then why does it look like Jooris has been given a better opportunity to succeed than Gaudreau? Why does Jooris get to play on the top line with two very creative players and Gaudreau on the third line with two players who basically just know how to go North/South and dump it in and have limited puck handling skills?
Why has Hartley refused to try Gaudreau on a different line with more skilled players that will compliment his puck handling skills? What make Jooris so special?

It must be because "he doesn't like him".

You really need to take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're having a hissy fit over five games. It's a long process with a lot of hockey to be played.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It must be because "he doesn't like him".

You really need to take a step back and look at what you're saying. You're having a hissy fit over five games. It's a long process with a lot of hockey to be played.

I'm having a hissy fit? Does that mean that anybody who has a different point of view from yours and wants to discuss whats going on with Gaudreau's development and isn't particularly enthralled with how Hartley is handling him, is having a hissy fit?

Give me a break. If you don't agree with what I say... fine... but don't imply that I'm acting like a five year old girl. Lets try being a bit more mature and leave the insults at home.

[GoJetsGo]

^ Several people on this page alone have called you out on blowing this way, way out of proportion. If you prefer the term "massively over-reacting" that's fine too. Either way, I think you're making much ado about nothing, and will leave it at that.