CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Hockeyguy15]

If we are going to rewind who is Rathji going to kill?

[Timbo]

Lets hear what formulate has to say he said he will monologue in a bit. We have time,
and decide from that point to rewind or continue?

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 5 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (6): Drury18, starseed, Rathji, mrkajz44, Aeneas, Puxlut

Voted:
formulate (4): Hockeyguy15, Timbo, dissentowner, Wood
Timbo (2):
GirlySports (2): formulate, GGG
GGG (2): GirlySports, squiggs96
Hockeyguy15 (1):
starseed (1): Oling_Roachinen

The deadline is Monday, October 20th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time. Hammer cannot be dropped before Friday, October 17th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Unvote

FALCON PUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vote: Formulate

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by GGG

So my claim of being infinitely lynchproof is a plausible town claim however it still needs to be evaluated for credibility.

Right, but to confirm it, we have to "waste" a lynch on you resulting in a no-kill day. That, as pointed out by many, gives the mafia an opportunity for a 2 kill day.

My power is meant to prevent scum from taking out the town, which is pretty much what's happened to this point. Also, by using it we opened up ALOT of discussion which frankly, has made more sense then anything thrown around in the last days of discussion.

But whatever, that's the last I engage in this discussion because once again, as votes start going on someone you pick an irrelevant fight as to take attention off of it. This is 3 times. I'm not engaging you any further on this.

[starseed]

So, if rathji is mafia, and we rewind, he could potentially take out the cop, or at least take out someone on their very short list. Is it worth risking? At the least, we would get potentially 2 mafia confirmed out of it.

My vote is rewind and shoot. The cop may not even have hit a mafia suspect this far, so a rathji reveal would give us what the cop is trying to get.

[Hockeyguy15]

So then don't have Rathji pick the kill...Have Wood or someone pick it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Right, but to confirm it, we have to "waste" a lynch on you resulting in a no-kill day. That, as pointed out by many, gives the mafia an opportunity for a 2 kill day.

My power is meant to prevent scum from taking out the town, which is pretty much what's happened to this point. Also, by using it we opened up ALOT of discussion which frankly, has made more sense then anything thrown around in the last days of discussion.

But whatever, that's the last I engage in this discussion because once again, as votes start going on someone you pick an irrelevant fight as to take attention off of it. This is 3 times. I'm not engaging you any further on this.

Your first statement contradicts your second statement. By lynching me you get a confirmed townie in exchange for a kill maybe 2. Not a bad trade once we kill the sk. With your power, by the same logic, we just gave the mafia free kills while confirming nothing.

Why would you use your power on someone but be opposed to lynching a lynchproof person? Lynching a lynchproof person generates more utility for the town than your power.

While your power could save a townie (this is just a guess on your part) the same power in scum hands will save mafia and certainly isn't overpowered. Many people were treating you like confirmed town and I think we should be careful with that thought.

The other power that I think could be a scum power claim is Squiggs. His claim of getting a random free doctor power and using it on wood rather than the obvious target ECF doesn't make sense.

Formulate is the clear lynch for the day, HG needs to decide if he wants to rewind or not, Rathji needs to decide who to kill. I have provided my input on this so what's next to discuss? Powers and role claims seem like a good place to go next.

[Hockeyguy15]

If I rewind does that mean we have to listen to GGG and Drury go on about this all over again?

[Drury18]

How do you confirm a townie without a flip?

Lynchproof means no flip. If we lynch you and you don't die, all we get is confirmation you are lynch proof. We don't get your alignment because there's no flip. You could be scum lynch proof, say you are lynch proof, we lynch and prove that indeed we can't lynch you, but no where do we confirm that you are aligned with the light.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

If I rewind does that mean we have to listen to GGG and Drury go on about this all over again?

Maybe that is what the consequence is. All of our posts that day get deleted as we are in a new timeline. Then I have to try to remember everything I posted already and you get to read it again. I will start copying and pasting just in case

[Oling_Roachinen]

So I was worried that a rewind could cost us the cop, but Timbo already knows who the cop is.

So as long as we announce who is dieing before hand, give Timbo a chance to speak, and we can make sure we don't kill the cop. We might reveal the cop, but that's a risk we're taking with the rewind kill anyways.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

How do you confirm a townie without a flip?

Lynchproof means no flip. If we lynch you and you don't die, all we get is confirmation you are lynch proof. We don't get your alignment because there's no flip. You could be scum lynch proof, say you are lynch proof, we lynch and prove that indeed we can't lynch you, but no where do we confirm that you are aligned with the light.

At that point you need to decide if scum lynchproof would exist in a game with only 1 guaranteed day kill. How is your power different from lynching someone who is lynchproof which you are against.

[Hockeyguy15]

But really, can you guys put your mini feud on hold for now? I don't think anyone is going to be lynched today other than formulate and neither of you is the cop, so save the theories for tomorrow. I would like to get what we are doing figured out before we all get busy on the weekend and can't coordinate properly.

1) Are we going to rewind? I would rather go with group consensus on this.
2) If we rewind who are we going to have killed (starseed is worried about Rathji being mafia)

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

But really, can you guys put your mini feud on hold for now? I don't think anyone is going to be lynched today other than formulate and neither of you is the cop, so save the theories for tomorrow. I would like to get what we are doing figured out before we all get busy on the weekend and can't coordinate properly.

1) Are we going to rewind? I would rather go with group consensus on this.
2) If we rewind who are we going to have killed (starseed is worried about Rathji being mafia)

I think you have input from everybody here already to summarize my thoughts.
1) yes
2) Squiggs, girly, Aeneas.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

But really, can you guys put your mini feud on hold for now? I don't think anyone is going to be lynched today other than formulate and neither of you is the cop, so save the theories for tomorrow. I would like to get what we are doing figured out before we all get busy on the weekend and can't coordinate properly.

1) Are we going to rewind? I would rather go with group consensus on this.
2) If we rewind who are we going to have killed (starseed is worried about Rathji being mafia)

1) Yes - would prefer the rewind
2) Here is my list below in order of preference

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Based on my voting analysis post, I'd put the options in this order:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...postcount=2870

1) dissentowner
2/3) Timbo / Aeneas
4) Squiggs
5) Girly
6) me

[formulate]

Here it all is, read as much or as little as you see fit:

-This is coming at a good time, as things are about to go into hyperdrive for me personally, outside of this game. School, lots of work, job interviews starting to pop up, and the girlfriend is starting to wonder if I'm having an affair with all the time I spend on my phone (I'd almost rather her this that haha). Things were so much easier in Europe with a cushy desk job, following along an critiquing everyone else.

-I actually PMd Mazrim a few days back asking if he was against a reveal and some info to help the town as I no longer could commit all the time, and I believed my chances of winning were pretty much gone.

-He said it was up to me but preferred players not to give up. I continued on for the last few days (albeit at a snail's pace) but last night made one mistake too many.

-In retrospect, the best move for me once the idea of a kill then rewind came up would have been to come up with a fake 'demi-cop' reveal. I have the investigative powers to back it up, and what I feel was a reasonable believable story.

-Since I've got an hour to burn, and you ****ers have to wait until 10 to lynch me anyhow, here's what I would have claimed: Power I'd call 'Good Cop Bad Cop' which would allow me to investigate every second night, with some kind of consequence on the other nights. It had to be strong enough to be town for sure, but not too strong to make the actual cop suspicious. in the end I never felt truly confident in the story.

-I ended up hitting the panic button, agreeing to be killed, and hoping like hell that the kill would be mysteriously redirected, like GGG's tracking of Puxlut. I knew the kill wouldn't affect me, and was actually surprised it took more than 3 seconds for someone to guess bulletproof (though it sounds like Oling had that part correct).

ASIDE: If you think this is coming to an end anytime soon, haha think again. You're a captive audience, and probably don't want to miss anything, as there may be good info somewhere in here (I haven't yet decided).

-At the point where bulletproof was suggested, I knew my lynch was inevitable, and began planning things to say to make this as long and painful to read as possible.

-Serial Killer is easily the toughest role, and I likely played rather poorly. My strategy was to do all in my power to help the town, which only really changed when I made a half-asleep post that Starseed and Oling jumped all over. From that point on I was walking on eggshells and couldn't really play my game properly. Didn't help that it coincided with my manager heading on vacation/odyssey and my hours were upped to help compensate.

-I really wonder how much differently things would have gone without that post to give Oling an in to be on my ass and analyze my every move.

-Confirmation bias is an amazing thing. As suspicion on me grew, I was suddenly working with Starseed, Oling and Timbo all at the same time! I truly wish I was, having mafia buddies would have made things significantly less difficult.

-I think I've decided not to share everything I know (investigation-wise) with the town. I'll give the mafia a fighting chance but this is something I want to put out there for all the trouble Oling has caused me (rightly so I suppose haha): I attempted to kill him last night (would have felt so good); it failed. I attempted to kill GGG night one; didn't fail but was redirected to Bizaro (sorry!). That's all I'll say.

-To Mazrim: Loved the game and all it's quirks. Sorry for the panic PMs every time I thought I was going to fail a test because of CP mafia. Probably won't play again at least until I graduate and get a cushy desk job back.

I'd say that's about enough pain for your eyes! I'll be offline the rest of the day and likely weekend. Maybe I'll be able to check in at 10 to make sure you actually kill me properly this time.

SAMUS PUNCH! or something

[Hockeyguy15]

Not as flashy as a CC reveal, but that will do just fine.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by formulate

-I really wonder how much differently things would have gone without that post to give Oling an in to be on my ass and analyze my every move.

If it makes you feel any better, I did have you first night sort of. Just needed an excuse to bring it up that didn't draw a huge target on my back from the rest of the mafia.

I don't know if I buy the serial killer reveal though. Still calling Godfather!

[Drury18]

So GGG has escaped death twice AND lynchproof.

Damn formulate, I'm required to hate you because of my alignment but man.