Extending Giordano... how much?

[gonzo29]

Gio will be 32 at the end of this deal, don't know how comfortable the team would be with anything past 4 years, which would take him to age 36.

That sounds like the right term to me, and I think he could reasonably command 7.5-8.5 million per season on a deal like that. Can't say he hasn't earned that kind of contract.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

When you factor in what an elite defenceman he's become and look at comparable players and salaries, his current contract has turned into arguably the best value contract in the league. We still have another season to go after this as well.

You can bet he'll be looking for a significant raise and I won't blame him as it's well earned and well deserved.

Obviously term, NMC/NTC, salary cap, etc, will factor in to the final dollar value when the time comes. I think we're looking at at least 7.5 mil/season average over 4 to 5 years though.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

^ Exactly. I realize we can't always pay now for past value, but given the fact we likely are not a cap team in the future, I would gladly offer 3x8.5, 4x8m.
The term would honestly depend on Gios long term plans, and I think you have to seriously discuss those plans with him. If he wants to stay in Calgary without exploring options you either give a short extremely high deal (2x9 or something) then sign him to a 4-5 year retirement contract around 5m aav, or you make a longer term offer heavily front loaded where the aav is still in the 6.5m range (45-46m over 7 years for example) to protect both sides interest. If he is interested in chasing a cup or has a desired destination, a high dollar 2-3 year contract with no nmc/very limited nmc in the final year. This gives him the options he has earned imo, and also shows our younger guys that effort, and taking "show me" contracts, will be rewarded if you perform.

[1stLand]

He is worth $10M a year.
He deserves it.

I love you Gio

[GGG]

I see 6yrs 6 million or 4 yrs 30 million. Don't mind either but prefer shorter term.

[Ashasx]

In 2 years the cap could be pushing $80 million.

Gio will be pushing for at least 10% of that. He's a very good player and he owes nothing to the Flames.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GGG

I see 6yrs 6 million or 4 yrs 30 million. Don't mind either but prefer shorter term.

He'll be a UFA. You don't see any other team offering 7? If he takes less than 7 I'll eat my hat

[Dienasty]

I think what would be the best case scenario is to sign him to a deal today, that extends him 4 years. Give him a signing bonus of 2M this year and a roster bonus next year at 2M and 4*6 after that.

He gets a raise of 2M this year and next for a team friendly 6M on a reasonable term. Basically becomes a 6 year deal worth just over 36M. I am not sure how the cap works on signing bonuses/roster bonuses though.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In 2 years the cap could be pushing $80 million.

Gio will be pushing for at least 10% of that. He's a very good player and he owes nothing to the Flames.

I somewhat disagree with that. Not many teams take that kind of flyer, and have the patience the Flames did with an undrafted player. Don't get me wrong, Gio has earned every penny, but he got very lucky the Flames Org. gave him such latitude to grow as a player.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by pylon

I somewhat disagree with that. Not many teams take that kind of flyer, and have the patience the Flames did with an undrafted player. Don't get me wrong, Gio has earned every penny, but he got very lucky the Flames Org. gave him such latitude to grow as a player.

He also left and went to Russia when they didn't pay him last time.

Look, Gio is thankful, but I'm sure the over playing to his current contract is lots of thanks in his mind. I can see a slight discount, but not a lot. And it's not like the flames won't have cap room

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

In 2 years the cap could be pushing $80 million.

Gio will be pushing for at least 10% of that. He's a very good player and he owes nothing to the Flames.

The Flames also don't have to pay him big money just because he was bargain in previous years. Both sides have to do what's best for them.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

He also left and went to Russia when they didn't pay him last time.

Look, Gio is thankful, but I'm sure the over playing to his current contract is lots of thanks in his mind. I can see a slight discount, but not a lot. And it's not like the flames won't have cap room

Giordano is in a different group than younger guys getting those deals because of the age factor, not paying for potential prime years.

All the top, top paid guys produce a lot of points. Karlsson at 6.5 vs Bouwmeester at 5.5.

I think Giordano is more in the latter category, Girardi, Bouwmeester etc.

There are 8 guys in the league that make more than 6.5 in a season, and they all produce points. There are only 3 guys in the top 15 paid defenders who are older than 30. I don't think it's unrealistic to give Giordano a 50% raise on a 3 year deal.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't think it's unrealistic to give Giordano a 50% raise on a 3 year deal.

I can't see any way he signs for as few as 3 years. It's his big contract and he's going to want term.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I can't see any way he signs for as few as 3 years. It's his big contract and he's going to want term.

You might be right, but I would go 4 years max and I would reduce the yearly payout.

I'd rather pay more for less time, 21 million over 3 years, than 24 over 4.

[DionTheDman]

Whatever it takes, within reason. Cap space won't be a huge issue for the next few years, and we need solid pros that can mentor the younger guys properly. Last thing we want is a bunch of kids running wild like the Oilers.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Giordano is in a different group than younger guys getting those deals because of the age factor, not paying for potential prime years.

All the top, top paid guys produce a lot of points. Karlsson at 6.5 vs Bouwmeester at 5.5.

I think Giordano is more in the latter category, Girardi, Bouwmeester etc.

There are 8 guys in the league that make more than 6.5 in a season, and they all produce points. There are only 3 guys in the top 15 paid defenders who are older than 30. I don't think it's unrealistic to give Giordano a 50% raise on a 3 year deal.

Shame on you for putting Gio in a category with Bouwmeester. One is underpaid, the other has been overpaid and never differentiated himself from the team's performance.

Gio>>>>Bouw

[Caged Great]

I think 5 years at 8 would be appropriate value. Any less than that and he's taking a discount. He's one of the top D in the league, and as such should get paid like one.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You might be right, but I would go 4 years max and I would reduce the yearly payout.

I'd rather pay more for less time, 21 million over 3 years, than 24 over 4.

And do you expect to be heavily involved in the negotiations?

This is not NHL14. He's only recently emerged as a top tier player and this will likely be his last significant contract. He's going to want money and term, and he'll deserve it.

[Tinordi]

He'll want to get paid either by the Flames or someone else. Cap hit is north of 7 for 5 years or less. He will not be taking a "hometown discount."

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

He'll want to get paid either by the Flames or someone else. Cap hit is north of 7 for 5 years or less. He will not be taking a "hometown discount."

He won't take a discount, but he also won't make as much as some of the crazy numbers floated around on here. I doubt he gets more than 7 million unless he ends up with a Norris trophy (which is actually within the realms of possibility).

To say he "doesn't owe anything to the Calgary Flames" is nonsense, Ashasx.