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[Wood]

Between starseed and Timbo, I'd much rather vote Timbo. I also think there's at least 2-3 mafia in the group of 5 on the starseed vote

vote: Timbo

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I believe GGG just made his first vote for the 'day' just recently. He was hoping Wood and ECF would come to an agreement and he would vote with them.

That's a bit sketchy in my opinion. I'll cut GGG some slack since he has at least made his list so we know where he stands, but simply following Wood and ECF's vote seems like a good way to remove responsibility from his actions. Something we've seen mafia do before.

Clarify it by saying in previous games. Like last game Starseed was happy to hop on and vote with known townies because he knew the townies weren't going against his group.

That's a possibility what GGG is doing. I still sorta think he's town mostly, but I do think him telling everyone has to have a vote while not voting himself until right now isn't the best approach.

[Rathji]

on the request for lists: I haven't updated it because my opinion hasn't really changed on most of the people

Likely town:
Wood - Unless there is a good explanation for mafia having a day kill and using it the way he did, this is pretty solid imho


Maybe town:
Timbo and/or formulate - Based off the action redirection thing earlier. Won't rehash here. Not solid, but a strong hunch.

GGG and Oling:Both of these guys are over the top rabid town, which to me indicates they are probably more likely town than mafia.
Drury18 - No big strikes against at this point
Rathji - obviously I know I am town, but I believe that my play so far indicates nothing that is scum-like. I haven't been the most active poster, and I haven't been at my best, but since this is due to my new job, I really think it is understandable.

undecided
Timbo and/or Formulate - Same as above, only one of them could have done the action redirect, and that puts the other as undecided (or worse)
starseed - Would actually be in "maybe" town if there wasn't so many people against him recently. I am willing to admit that I could have missed something which was swaying some people. I am planning on looking into him more deeply soon.
Aeneas - Not really a lot of read on him. Mostly due to the switch in players and me not being able to really process the 2 players in conjunction with each other. Baxter was more than once in my suspicious pile, but putting Aeneas here kind of as a default.
squiggs: was questionable at the start, but with a decent excuse. If it wasnt for that start, might be in maybe town range.

Suspicious of (meaning having one or more incidents where I seriously questioned their actions, and/or not having any strong town indicators to me)
- Girly Sports
- mrkajz44
- Puxlut
- HockeyGuy15

Almost certainly mafia:
No idea right now. This is our problem.

I think I have everyone covered. Will try and get a solid vote decided on by lunch but have an urgent client situation that needs dealing with.

I am not comfortable with voting for anyone who is leading right now, but I will toss my vote as a temporary one in case my day turns to hell

Vote: GirlySports

Normally a very insightful poster, but I haven't gotten that vibe so far this game. Kind of the same thing that sealed Captain crunch for me last game. Could be due to being new though, and in that respect I could have gone with Puxlut as well.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Clarify it by saying in previous games. Like last game Starseed was happy to hop on and vote with known townies because he knew the townies weren't going against his group.

That's a possibility what GGG is doing. I still sorta think he's town mostly, but I do think him telling everyone has to have a vote while not voting himself until right now isn't the best approach.

Early in the day when everyone was pissed at me I decided I would give my vote to my list of almost confirmed townies to try to alleviate suspicion. Not sure if this was a good idea or not. I think it was pretty clear from all of my posts during the day who I wanted to vote for. I wanted to wait until wood and ECF voted so I couldn't be accused of flip flopping or lying to the town. Today when it became clear there was a risk to me not voting I voted where I should go with the caveat I would change given an ECF/Wood consensous.

[GGG]

We are at 7 timbo, 5 starseed, 2 ggg, 1 squigss, 1 girly.

The phantom ECF vote has disappeared.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

Early in the day when everyone was pissed at me I decided I would give my vote to my list of almost confirmed townies to try to alleviate suspicion. Not sure if this was a good idea or not. I think it was pretty clear from all of my posts during the day who I wanted to vote for. I wanted to wait until wood and ECF voted so I couldn't be accused of flip flopping or lying to the town. Today when it became clear there was a risk to me not voting I voted where I should go with the caveat I would change given an ECF/Wood consensous.

For a guy who has been dictating the pace of the game and putting the boots to a lot of people it seems like an odd strategy. It seems like you are building an excuse for later, "I voted with the confirmed townies, it isn't my fault" kind of thing.

Didn't you post earlier about the post/vote ratio and how having a lot of votes was better? Now you just say sitting back and waiting for Wood and ECF to vote is the way to go?

[mrkajz44]

So that looks like 7 on Timbo, 5 starseed, and the rest are out of lynch range given that everyone has voted at this point.

I am interested to see the starseed "prove" in the twilight thread, as that was one of the big factors that lead me to believe the whole story. I would encourage everyone to try and attend the twilight, and at this point it looks like it will be a deadline lynch given the split of opinions.

As for my thoughts with this day winding down:

Mafia:
1) Timbo - such a shift in posting style is so weird - long deflecting posts that don't say much
2) Girly - seems to drift under the radar nicely, I don't really have anything solid on her but agree with the group that something smells fishy

Maybes:
1) Dissentower - doesn't seem to add much to the conversation and often votes with "well that makes sense to me" without much reference to "that". I went through the entire posting history though and nothing huge sticks out. On my radar
2) ECF - only thing that makes him "town" is the doctor claim that is unverified (only by GGGs accidental tracking of him). Has slid by since the confession
3) Starseed - waiting to see what happens in twilight
4) GGG - Tracking of puxlut last night makes very little sense to me, but the action was conveniently re-directed to ECF to confirm the doctor story. Seems fishy to me

I don't really have much of a "mafia-read" on the others at this point.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Early in the day when everyone was pissed at me I decided I would give my vote to my list of almost confirmed townies to try to alleviate suspicion.

Ha, well at least you are honest, but to admit it was just a reason to alleviate suspicion as opposed to say try and prove you were town is something I want to think about.

But I don't think it was a good idea. You did make your list, and at the end of the day voted for someone who was on it, so I'm not going to be too hung up on it. However, I would rather you come to your own vote next time so we can evaluate that down the line if needed.

Wonder if the votes disappears near deadline or if Mazrim just forgot.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Wonder if the votes disappears near deadline or if Mazrim just forgot.

Very much doubt that Mazrim forgot, so the phantom vote does come off it appears. Could be right at the deadline though and be back on tomorrow? We will have to wait and see I suppose.

So, other than Rathji's invite. No new news/info? I would usually not advocate pushing a lynch, but we need more info... It seems we just go around in circles.

Did you decline Rathji? Or just let it time out? Are there anymore invites out there?

[starseed]

I will be home by 5pm mt. Any time after that I can be sure to be there. Flying to Calgary in the morning!

[GGG]

The final case for Timbo.
Tell number 1 – Posts about being town and being a scum hunter rather than actual scum hunting. Post linking Timbo’s previous post style Posts 1891, 1907

2) Reveals that he is not the cop after 2 pages of discussion about whether it is worth it or not for starseed to reveal his buddy. Post 2188

3) Post 2304 -- Timbo says (at 9:13pm) that we should cut the head off of the factions (I assume he meant by lynching starseed as he said that was the head in post 2204) after it as established that Rathji just got his Eternals (5:17pm) invite meaning the whole GP_matt/Starseed are the heads of the factions doesn’t work as acknowledged by Drury in post 2257 at 6:46pm.

4) Timbo’s defense posts. Posts 1948, 1962, 2188, 2204, 2304. After my first accusation against Timbo and 0 votes to him he goes off on a rant. This does not make sense. If he is town he should have clarified any misconceptions in the attack and kept scum hunting along. He has now made 5 of these over the top defense posts. Even in what could be his last post his scum hunting consists of just putting 4 names on a list without much backup.

If someone could do up the same case for Starseed that would be great. I don’t want to do it because I don’t see it so wouldn’t do it justice.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I am interested to see the starseed "prove" in the twilight thread, as that was one of the big factors that lead me to believe the whole story. I would encourage everyone to try and attend the twilight, and at this point it looks like it will be a deadline lynch given the split of opinions.

Starseed stated earlier there will no longer be any twilight or portal now.

Originally Posted by starseed

Oh, and the twilight thread will no longer exist in case people were wondering.

Originally Posted by Drury18

Starseed, does this mean Twilight will no longer exist at all now?

Originally Posted by starseed

When I go down, yes. That power was essentially to give townies a chance to talk after the reveal. I could not find good ways of dealing with it until I thought of the MOT idea.

[dissentowner]

I could change my vote to one of starseed or Timbo but I am not going to because as of today though suspicious I am not as confident as I am voting for squiggs.

1. Was suspect and almost lunched on Day 1.
2. Was on vacation and said he had no time to check in yet was seen many times lurking in the thread without saying anything.
3. Despite being on here most times when I have logged on has only posted when suspicion is cast on him or if there is a post about players not participating.
4. Has not bothered to really follow what is going on at all. Maybe that is because he is new but he seems way off base.
5. Is the safest lynch imo. I think he is trying to lay in the shadows which makes him scum. He has been scummy since day 1 and I am not buying what he is selling. If he isn't scum then between his can't be bothered attitude, his inability to follow along, and his lack of contributions to the town makes him a liability anyhow. Someone said (starseed) it is a numbers game at this point. The game is a numbers game starting at day 1 but we are only on Day 3, it is early and squiggs is the safest play imo. Timbo goes on rants but there is just as good a chance he is the scum hunting crazy guy he portrays as that he isn't. starseed seems more suspect to me than Timbo because of the whole MOT thing but as more dialog came out it became clear there is a decent chance he is town and it gives us another night of twilight to see what is said. I still say squiggs is the smart vote.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Starseed stated earlier there will no longer be any twilight or portal now.

I was under the impression the twilight portal would only go away if starseed was lynched. So if we end up lynching Timbo (which is what would happen if no votes change), then I'd like to see starseed prove himself in the portal as was claimed.

Am I wrong and the twilight portal is gone no matter what, even if starseed is not lynched?

[East Coast Flame]

How will Starseed be able to prove that he is the MOT in the twilight thread?

I haven't been in there yet, but didn't GGG show last time you can make your name anything you want?

We would have to make sure that SS was around for twilight? It wouldn't be fair to lynch whomever during a time when SS was in school or something?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

How will Starseed be able to prove that he is the MOT in the twilight thread?

I haven't been in there yet, but didn't GGG show last time you can make your name anything you want?

Yeah, that is the part I am confused on - I generally believe starseed and his story, but he seemed to imply he could "prove" the MOT part of his story with the next twilight thread. I assume the way he proves it is there is no master of twilight in the next twilight thread, but I am not sure on that.

I am waiting on passing full judgement on starseed until then.

[Wood]

Well if we Lynch now and he can't post in the twilight thread, one MOT not posting would be proof its him. Its not like he needs to be there, what would be different?

Doesn't matter to me when we lynch

[East Coast Flame]

He said he had early access, so when you go into the twighlight thread were the 2 MOT's already there?