CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Rathji

To further clarify, my vote on Puxlut isn't intended to have her lynched, since I am fairly sure that someone will end up lynching starseed if he doesn't end up figuring out how he is going to prove his claims to us, but to point out my strongest hunch in case I get night killed.

If starseed can't prove himself shortly, I have no issues giving the hammer.

Ok that makes sense now. Well Starseed and Oling are going at it, perhaps some useful information will come from it.

[GGG]

Here's my current list on the status if everyone. I will be offline until later tonight.

Strong Town
Wood
ECF
Starseed - I don't believe the mafia would come out with the worst lie ever.

Leaning town
Puxlut - could be SK though if we get two kills again otherwise town.
Squiggs - again if two kills tonight, then doc protect got through, Squiggs says his role counters the role blocker.
Oling - if Timbo flips scum then the first vote on Squiggs was del, GGG, oling, timbo. Unlikely to have two scum in there

Unknown
Diss
Rathji
Mrkazj44
Aeneas
Girly

Leaning mafia
Formulate
HG. These two are more gut feel than evidence based.
Strong Mafia
Timbo - try's to make sure everyone knows he's town

[GGG]

Missed Drury. He is in my unknown list. Not sure if his focus on me and the guardians is because it is a safe place to appear active or given the amount of time spent on the post is a hardworking townie looking at the wrong thing.

[starseed]

That list does make sense. I think one of the major errors of last game was how townies were so certain of another's status as mafia that everything they did was tainted and they stopped looking objectively. I still think Oling has followed a pattern with GP_Matt and Delgar and now me. However, I think it could even be stretched into last game with him and CBL.

Timbo is a good candidate. One of squiggs/baxter(aeneas) could still be in there as a mafia.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 16 alive, it takes 9 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 6 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (3): GGG, Wood, East Coast Flame

Voted:
starseed (8): mrkajz44, Aeneas, Oling_Roachinen, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, dissentowner, Drury18, squiggs96
Oling_Roachinen (2): starseed, Puxlut
GGG (1): GirlySports
East Coast Flame (1):
GirlySports (1): formulate
Puxlut (1): Rathji

The deadline is Tuesday, October 14th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[starseed]

I am being dragged outside kicking and screaming. Will still be checking my phone.

[East Coast Flame]

Starseed - at this point I think believe him but right now we can't afford any more reveals. We are close to getting to the point where the mafia knows everything and will be able to play us like a fiddle.

I will be able to check in sparingly this weekend, so I'll try and lay my thoughts out as much as I can.

Town:
Wood
Drury
Dissentowner

Not sure about but trust:
GGG
Girlysports
Starseed
Aeneas
Squiggs

Not sure about but generally don't trust:
Rathji - for the simple sake of not having any opinion of him. Needs to post more
Puxlut
mrkajz44
HG

Most suspicious of:
Oling
Formulate
Timbo

At this point, I am leaning towards a Timbo lynch. For the first little while I trusted him but he has gotten really strange the last little bit. I don't follow his posting or his logic at all.

Vote: Timbo

But whatever happens I don't think we can afford any more reveals.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by starseed

still think Oling has followed a pattern with GP_Matt and Delgar and now me. However, I think it could even be stretched into last game with him and CBL.

Delgar is fair that was my bad. But if someone tells me they are voting for Photon because October 13, 1994 was a full moon and I found out that October 13, 1994 was a waxing gibbous, I'm going to be suspicious of them... GP_Matt I don't think I'm getting fair representation. He didn't want to say that he was blackmailed into losing a power by joining the Eternals, despite saying he was afraid of losing his power for joining the Eternals. I can't believe I am getting blame for the GP_Matt thing when everyone was involved....

But you are right about CBL, and last time I was town as well. So let me give you the benefit of the doubt and say, like CBL, I am wrong about you.

So under the assumption that you are town and you do reveal your partner, depending on who we lynch tonight we could go into the night phase with 15 players and the mafia knowing (this relies on some other people telling the truth as well which could easily be lies but the mafia would know):

ECF (Doctor)
Wood (Vig)
Starseed (MOT)
Starseed's Partner (MOT)
GGG (Unlynchable)
Squiggs96 (blocker of blockers?)
Mafia Member 1
Mafia Member 2
Mafia Member 3
Mafia Member 4?
Mafia Member 5?


But that's even before powers. They could have their own role cop ability, own investigator ability, own surveillance ability.

So they could know that, for just examples don't read into it, that Drury18 didn't target anyone one night, he's obviously not the cop. They could know that Mrkajz44 targetted Starseed and is still going after him, so he's not the cop. They could straight up know that Hockeyguy15 is a bus driver.

They may believe Rathji didn't target anyone the first night because of the redirect discussion, they could believe that Puxlut isn't the cop because of what she said. (They could be wrong on this of course). Etc. etc. etc.

There's a (little) possibility they might find out the cop just by you revealing who your partner is Starseed.

ECF doesn't get the same advantage, he could target a mafia member even if he gets his block off.

So there's a more than decent possibility that the cop dies before he can reveal anything about you starseed.

If the cop lives, they could have the power to make you (or your partner) show up as mafia (this was a power in the first game), they could redirect all abilities from you (or your partner) to someone else, again not giving us the information. They could prevent the scan or find out who the cop is by seeing who targeted you (or your partner).

So even if you are town, I see a ton of downside in that plan.

Originally Posted by Rathji

Vote Puxlut

The more I think about what GGG said, trying to eliminate or narrow down into roles only serves to help the mafia.

Puxlut previous post, trying to figure out who the cop is, seems like it is fishing for info towards this end. I fell for it in my not yet awake state this morning, but I see it for what it is now.

Did my DeNiro pic freak you out that much? Take a chill pill. It was a joke.
And where did I say I wanted to know who the cop is? I was just throwing around possibilities.
That is just a sloppy post.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Did my DeNiro pic freak you out that much? Take a chill pill. It was a joke.
And where did I say I wanted to know who the cop is? I was just throwing around possibilities.
That is just a sloppy post.

Your post seemed crafted to pull out information about roles. If it wasn't intended as such, then maybe it was the sloppy post.

Hahaha. I know you are but what am I?

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I don't get the cop role. Has he been doing an investigation each night? So when he reveals, he will have a list of names that are good/bad? When he reveals will a schwack of his list be dead (at the rate we're going)?

If we have a redirect (might be a mafia power) they could redirect any kills on the doctor and the doctor saves the cop. Does this work? Or is the wine from last night affecting my thoughts today.

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No where does it say I want the cop to reveal. Just wanted an explanation of the cop role as I haven't played before and stating possible scenarios for the doctor and cop to use their powers.
You've been taking notes from Oling and Timbo on putting words in people's mouths and twisting words.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Starseed, what's your opinion on the ability to see what factions killed someone?

Does that suggest that there is indeed Darkness, and a Serial Killer of sorts? That would explain the first night kills. Or do you think the factions would be Darkness and Light? And would it be wise/possible to use that ability on GP_Matt to confirm that Wood indeed is town? I've been operating under the assumption that Wood is town, but I guess we haven't 100% verified that.

I bring this up, because if it's possible with the poison and stuff that light would have a way of killing people and it would be a good power to have to see if it was light or darkness that killed others. I've been thinking the poison was fake because it didn't work even with squiggs96 power, but if the factions that you can scan for are Darkness and Light, maybe squiggs96 didn't really have the power he said he did and the poison was real.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Starseed, what's your opinion on the ability to see what factions killed someone?

Does that suggest that there is indeed Darkness, and a Serial Killer of sorts? That would explain the first night kills. Or do you think the factions would be Darkness and Light? And would it be wise/possible to use that ability on GP_Matt to confirm that Wood indeed is town? I've been operating under the assumption that Wood is town, but I guess we haven't 100% verified that.

I bring this up, because if it's possible with the poison and stuff that light would have a way of killing people and it would be a good power to have to see if it was light or darkness that killed others. I've been thinking the poison was fake because it didn't work even with squiggs96 power, but if the factions that you can scan for are Darkness and Light, maybe squiggs96 didn't really have the power he said he did and the poison was real.

Was the poison supposed to work right away, or was it something like the next day? I believe there was something written about it in this thread, but I can't find it. If the poison was real, Pika ensured it would take effect. Because it didn't the three options are 1) the power wasn't real 2) ECF didn't use the power 3) ECF was lying about having the power. At this point, I don't know what the correct answer is.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Hahaha. I know you are but what am I?

No where does it say I want the cop to reveal. Just wanted an explanation of the cop role as I haven't played before and stating possible scenarios for the doctor and cop to use their powers.
You've been taking notes from Oling and Timbo on putting words in people's mouths and twisting words.

Actually, I took the tone of the post to be that you were digging for information that could be used to identify or narrow the search for certain roles.

I don't think you said anything in your post specifically to ask for this information, but as I read it, I had a hunch that is what you were doing.

A hunch is really just that, it isn't an accusation or a declaration of certainty.

When I am back at PC, I will take another look at the posts in question, but for now, not hunch stands.

[mrkajz44]

Won't be able to check in for a bit, but thought I'd weigh in now.

Starseed has convinced me - I think he is telling the truth and is town. The MOT story is so outrageous I believe it. With all the wild powers going on this game, his story is at the very least plausible. His story has been consistent since the reveal in my eyes. I am doing this all on my phone, so maybe I missed something, but my vote comes off starseed.

Unvote

Timbo has been very aggressive lately and all his posts about hunting scum seem 'fake' to me as Drury pointed out. I'm putting another vote on him and see how he reacts.

Let me be clear though, I don't want this to turn into another reveal. Just want some more discussion from Timbo that isn't accusations and aggressive posts. Information is great for the town, so let's get some more flowing

Vote: Timbo

[dissentowner]

Checking in via tapatalk, will post more later.

[Drury18]

I'm off until later this evening. Will check in on phone but will probably be under the influence of a turkey coma.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Was the poison supposed to work right away, or was it something like the next day? I believe there was something written about it in this thread, but I can't find it. If the poison was real, Pika ensured it would take effect. Because it didn't the three options are 1) the power wasn't real 2) ECF didn't use the power 3) ECF was lying about having the power. At this point, I don't know what the correct answer is.

1) ecf claimed to use the power and it reported back as failed. First ecf post of the day on phone so tough to link
2) my tracking report showed ecf visited myself and one other person. This means he as at least 2 powers which fit his claims of doctor plus poison

[Oling_Roachinen]

Thinking it through, I'm standing with my vote for Starseed. Even if he is town, his reveal will give the town the most information without the risk of forcing another major reveal today.

Right now keeping starseed around would almost force to have the cop investigate him over the next couple days. There were powers in the first game that allowed a mafia member to scan as town and townies to scan as mafia. It's less likely to be used to our disadvantage on random targets, but if we're putting starseed on a short list for the cop they can use it to their advantage. A more random target from the cop would leave less room for the information to be 'tainted.'

Right now the absolute worst thing would be starseed to scan as mafia, the cop reveal himself saying so, we lynch starseed, he flips town and that night the mafia kill the cop.

So I don't like the idea of keeping starseed around and having the cop have to confirm what he is when the mafia already knows our plan. If we want to find out what starseed really is, to find out whether all the information he has said is true, I think there's only one option and that's a card flip.

I do think starseed has brought up some good points, like on formulate playing a similar game to him in the first game, so I think we can go back and look over his posts without doubts that he was just trying to cause a ####storm with the MOT but was actually trying to help us.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Was the poison supposed to work right away, or was it something like the next day? I believe there was something written about it in this thread, but I can't find it. If the poison was real, Pika ensured it would take effect. Because it didn't the three options are 1) the power wasn't real 2) ECF didn't use the power 3) ECF was lying about having the power. At this point, I don't know what the correct answer is.

Or it could be 4) You were lying.