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[formulate]

The only way I see of getting truly concrete proof would be a lynch.

I'm without desktop access for the duration of the long weekend, and will be without the required combination of internees connectivity, time and sobriety for the duration as well. I assume both will be the case for a decent number of posters.

I won't be bringing the starseed hammer yet, and while I can't ask for the game to be paused, it would be nice to get a chance to review everything starting Monday night.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by formulate

The issue with these plans is (I believe Oling touched on it right after but these are the quotes I had added to multi quote scrolling through on my phone) that it would be really easy for another mafia member to come forward as starseed's 'mason partner'. I disagree with GGG in saying that the mafia wouldn't risk outing a second member. It seems to me it would be a great way to at least buy some time or, best case, have the town (proven to be possible by your theory) take them as known townies. When twilight comes, there is starseed proving he is the MOT, but for me and many others, not proving anything about being a townie.

You are right. Proving he is MOT actually doesn't prove anything about him having the Mason role.

If he was able to prove he had the role, it is almost certainly be town. I do recall reading about some variants where town and mafia members are Mason though.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by formulate

The issue with these plans is (I believe Oling touched on it right after but these are the quotes I had added to multi quote scrolling through on my phone) that it would be really easy for another mafia member to come forward as starseed's 'mason partner'. I disagree with GGG in saying that the mafia wouldn't risk outing a second member. It seems to me it would be a great way to at least buy some time or, best case, have the town (proven to be possible by your theory) take them as known townies. When twilight comes, there is starseed proving he is the MOT, but for me and many others, not proving anything about being a townie.

Our cop investigates one of them and we get two dead mafia out of the deal. If our cop was dead I would agree with you but it is too high risk for the mafia to do it while the cop is on the board.

If Starseed is town are you in favour of him declaring who his mason buddy is or is it better hidden to protect the cop?

[Rathji]

Vote Puxlut

The more I think about what GGG said, trying to eliminate or narrow down into roles only serves to help the mafia.

Puxlut previous post, trying to figure out who the cop is, seems like it is fishing for info towards this end. I fell for it in my not yet awake state this morning, but I see it for what it is now.

[Rathji]

For the record, I am not against lynching starseed any more.

I just can't see how he would be able to prove all his claims. For some reason I was equating being MOT with the Mason ability, which I now realize is not the case.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

Our cop investigates one of them and we get two dead mafia out of the deal. If our cop was dead I would agree with you but it is too high risk for the mafia to do it while the cop is on the board.

If Starseed is town are you in favour of him declaring who his mason buddy is or is it better hidden to protect the cop?

Alright, who is in favour of this plan? The cop can investigate (there is always the possibility that they have already investigated one of us) and determine the two of us are townie.

To anyone that thinks I am mafia, then this gives the cop two confirmed mafia from your perspective.

[starseed]

And if you are mafia, from this perspective this increases the chances that a mafia gets lynched today.

[Hockeyguy15]

Just about to hop on a plane, probably will only be able to check in once before bed at best. See you all on Monday.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by starseed

Alright, who is in favour of this plan? The cop can investigate (there is always the possibility that they have already investigated one of us) and determine the two of us are townie.

To anyone that thinks I am mafia, then this gives the cop two confirmed mafia from your perspective.

And it also outs our cop for the mafia. That is not a good idea at all from the town' perspective.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And it also outs our cop for the mafia. That is not a good idea at all from the town' perspective.

The cop will need to come out around day5/6 or whenever they are ready. This just gives the cop a 2 for 1.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by starseed

The cop will need to come out around day5/6 or whenever they are ready. This just gives the cop a 2 for 1.

It is too early for the cop to come out. We are better waiting for him to reveal after he has had at least 5 minimum investigations. He has had two nights. I think you are just fishing for the cop to see if you can get us to reveal that before you go down. No.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is too early for the cop to come out. We are better waiting for him to reveal after he has had at least 5 minimum investigations. He has had two nights. I think you are just fishing for the cop to see if you can get us to reveal that before you go down. No.

Re read the post you quoted.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by starseed

Re read the post you quoted.

Great but I still say no. Too much can go wrong there. It is up to all to us as town folk but I am certainly not on board for a cop reveal on day 3, might as well hand the mafia the game.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Great but I still say no. Too much can go wrong there. It is up to all to us as town folk but I am certainly not on board for a cop reveal on day 3, might as well hand the mafia the game.

Maybe try reading it a third time? I am not advocating a cop reveal today or tomorrow.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by starseed

Alright, who is in favour of this plan? The cop can investigate (there is always the possibility that they have already investigated one of us) and determine the two of us are townie.

To anyone that thinks I am mafia, then this gives the cop two confirmed mafia from your perspective.

For the record I don't have a strong preference either way but the town (or Starseed) needs to have some input on this. I see we have 3 opinions

1) just kill Starseed

2) Starseed reveals buddy, kill Starseed or buddy, prove alignment of buddy

3) Starseed reveals buddy, kill timbo(or someone else), cop investigates and reports at a later time.

Anyway the town should vote on these options before deciding what to do with Starseed. Personally I am against number 1 because it wastes the town confirmation ability of the masons.

[Timbo]

starseed is this game all about you? You and the factions, you and the MOT, you end the MOT you trying to have the cop reveal themselves to possibly exonerate you?

Like I said before, even if you do flip town(Which IMO is highly unlikely) you have guided us like Kevin Lowe or even better yet the leader of the widowmakers in The movie Every Which Way but Loose
You got to go. The sooner the better.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by GGG

For the record I don't have a strong preference either way but the town (or Starseed) needs to have some input on this. I see we have 3 opinions

1) just kill Starseed

2) Starseed reveals buddy, kill Starseed or buddy, prove alignment of buddy

3) Starseed reveals buddy, kill timbo(or someone else), cop investigates and reports at a later time.

Anyway the town should vote on these options before deciding what to do with Starseed. Personally I am against number 1 because it wastes the town confirmation ability of the masons.

In order of preference:
3
1
2

Obviously #3 is my best case scenario. This is the only chance to get a mafia today. #1 would at least keep MOT2 in the background to help camouflage the cop. #2 means we get a confirmed townie, but I don't think that is worth as much as giving the cop more cover.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Timbo

starseed is this game all about you? You and the factions, you and the MOT, you end the MOT you trying to have the cop reveal themselves to possibly exonerate you?

Like I said before, even if you do flip town(Which IMO is highly unlikely) you have guided us like Kevin Lowe or even better yet the leader of the widowmakers in The movie Every Which Way but Loose
You got to go. The sooner the better.

Are you getting tips on misrepresenting someone from Oling? I think you guys are collapsing on your board.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Vote Puxlut

The more I think about what GGG said, trying to eliminate or narrow down into roles only serves to help the mafia.

Puxlut previous post, trying to figure out who the cop is, seems like it is fishing for info towards this end. I fell for it in my not yet awake state this morning, but I see it for what it is now.

Originally Posted by Rathji

For the record, I am not against lynching starseed any more.

I just can't see how he would be able to prove all his claims. For some reason I was equating being MOT with the Mason ability, which I now realize is not the case.

If you're not against lynching Starseed when why don't you lynch him?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by starseed

Maybe try reading it a third time? I am not advocating a cop reveal today or tomorrow.

Ok, misunderstood, I am little hungover.