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Old 10-10-2014, 09:44 AM   #1981
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My mistake. The Oling post I quoted had a quote from Starseeds list reveal. I assumed it was from Starseed's long post last night, but the point remains.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:45 AM   #1982
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Oling's point is that MOT thread Day 1, GGG was a suspect, In the reveal your top 3 suspects list mid-day 2 Startseed had GGG leaning town, In the day two MOT thread GGG is back being a suspect.

That is a pretty could catch that definately needs an explanation.

I still come back to the WIFOMy argument that Starseeds reveal was way too complicated and ackward to be a lie. The lynch all liars policy lynch though is not a bad option as it does help the town in future games as well as this one

(sorry about the third person reference It justs makes it more clear).
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Twilight Thread #1-GGG is a top suspect to the MOT.
Day 2 - Starseed reveals GGG is on his town list because of his actions in day 1 (which are the same actions that MOT has to be suspicious of town).
Twilight Thread #2-GGG is a top suspect, again.

This actually makes me feel good about GGG. Twilight was trying to steer the direction to him while Starseed was publicly saying he thinks GGG is town. I think they were hoping for a GGG lynch and Starseed could point to GGG being on his town list.

My new list (I don't think everyone should post theirs):
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:49 AM   #1983
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Twilight Thread #1-GGG is a top suspect to the MOT.
Day 2 - Starseed reveals GGG is on his town list because of his actions in day 1 (which are the same actions that MOT has to be suspicious of town).
Twilight Thread #2-GGG is a top suspect, again.
Poorly worded. This is the timeline:

Twilight 1-GGG is a top suspect to the MOT, at least that's their claim.

Day 2 - Starseed reveals GGG is on his town list because of his actions in day 1. This is based on his day 1 actions, the same actions that MOT are claiming make him worthy of being on their top suspect list.

Twilight 2-GGG is a top suspect, again.

If we played into their hands and GGG would have been lynched, Starseed would have been pointing out how he thought GGG was town.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:55 AM   #1984
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I agree Oling. I don't know how it happened but I am starting to believe GGG again. Up is down. Cats are dogs, etc.

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I still have a bad taste in my mouth about the Delgar thing, but I think I'll back off for now.

I am still not convinced Starseed is mafia however.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:55 AM   #1985
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Either I'm confused or you made an error starseed is talking about the Factions (Guardians/Eternals) not the Masters of Twilight(MOT)
I was just saying that I have a small lingering feeling that starseeds long-winded post is true (where here talks about his MOT role). But my vote still stands because of the reasons I pointed out earlier, prior to the MOT reveal.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:57 AM   #1986
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Okay I missed starseeds theory on the MOT. My mistake

I have been thinking about the MOT. I'm not sure they are players. They only show up briefly in lynching card flips which are unpredictable at best.
How can three people Mazrim, MOT#1 MOT#2 commit to be online at any given time? Therefore recruitment from the pool of players would be to risky as an invite might say no I can not commit to being available 24/7. The MOT flavour is then ruined.

This might be considered metagaming though?

Again I want to question their claims to knowledge.
Quote from Mazrims post #3
"Nothing is like it seems, friends. Worlds are warping and time flows differently around Master Hand"
I think this is a clue. It's possible that the factions are tools of Mafia or do we have as Puxlut states only one member of darkness as in Master Hand and these are his/her tools.

Those with night actions need to think carefully if those actions if used worked properly.

This game has me perplexed more than the last. If more townies are lost and not one mafia is discovered I think Puxlut might be on to something.

Oh and I forgot Pit so there might be two.
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:01 AM   #1987
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I ment invitee
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:03 AM   #1988
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Sorry folks I'm on my phone today and then unavailable until Monday, so I think it's best if I unvote for now until I can read all the craziness.

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Old 10-10-2014, 10:10 AM   #1989
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Poorly worded. This is the timeline:

Twilight 1-GGG is a top suspect to the MOT, at least that's their claim.

Day 2 - Starseed reveals GGG is on his town list because of his actions in day 1. This is based on his day 1 actions, the same actions that MOT are claiming make him worthy of being on their top suspect list.

Twilight 2-GGG is a top suspect, again.

If we played into their hands and GGG would have been lynched, Starseed would have been pointing out how he thought GGG was town.
Quite possible as MOT have had 2 people on their list that are 100% townie.
I have the feeling MOT is playing a fixed game of 3 card monty with us.
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:21 AM   #1990
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Starseed what do you mean by with Delgar taking a bullet it has bought you more time to be out in the open?

And why reveal now when you were in no danger of being lynched? You said you have become a distraction, I assume you mean the MOT stuff but your long confusing post is more distracting than that. Maybe it's just me and I have poor reading comprehension today but honestly most of that post seemed like rambling to me.

Why does everyone have to freak out and have these grand reveals when they have votes on them?
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Starseed what do you mean by with Delgar taking a bullet it has bought you more time to be out in the open?

And why reveal now when you were in no danger of being lynched? You said you have become a distraction, I assume you mean the MOT stuff but your long confusing post is more distracting than that. Maybe it's just me and I have poor reading comprehension today but honestly most of that post seemed like rambling to me.

Why does everyone have to freak out and have these grand reveals when they have votes on them?
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:33 AM   #1992
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And what about thT part about Timbo being your mason partner? You're puting your mason partner but not your MOT partner? I honestly done understand what you are saying.
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Puting = outing
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:38 AM   #1994
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Some times in the dark of night things become so very illuminated.
Yup, I just put a big target on me.
Can we get an explanation for this post?
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And what about thT part about Timbo being your mason partner? You're puting your mason partner but not your MOT partner? I honestly done understand what you are saying.
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe this stemmed from the star beside the name thing on quicktopic. I wasn't there myself but it sounds like only Timbo and Starseed had stars beside there names, but Mazrim has asked us to not use things like this for strategy. That's all, correct?
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Timbo then seemed to want to keep going with it.
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And what about thT part about Timbo being your mason partner? You're puting your mason partner but not your MOT partner? I honestly done understand what you are saying.
Starseed is saying timbo isn't his mason partner. The other MOT is his mason partner

Starseed was saying if Hes killed and flips town, he doesn't want timbo to lie and say that he was starseeds mason partner to confirm he's town, using the star situation in the MOT chat as "proof"
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Can we get an explanation for this post?
Absolutely... to a degree. Night time begins actions, actions shed information.
I became more clear towards who is dark and who is light.
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Old 10-10-2014, 10:50 AM   #1999
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I think we're being distracted by the cults and MOT again. I have reviewed Starseed's post and the followups and have the following questions.

1. Timing of reveal: Formulate asked what the vote count was. At the time of the reveal it was Starseed 4, GGG 3, Girly 1. That's very early in the day and hardly a cause for concern.

2. Timing of MOT: Timbo makes a good point about the the timing of the MOTs. If they are players it's too difficult to make sure the right players are online at the time of hammer. The hammer could be anytime. I hammered early on Day 1 and everyone must have been scrambling. Even if they are observers, the timing is still quiet difficult. Also MOT says we played like crap, that sounds like an observer.

3. Off the GGG trail: how easily we are influenced. Every time the vote gets close to the hammer there is a reveal. Now the vote is not even close and there is a reveal. Why are there reveals earlier and earlier? Because they work. Everyone moves away and then yet another people has to reveal. Day 2 was a disaster, there were 4 reveals. We're barely into Day 3 and there have been 2 reveals. Are they true? Is the poison even true? The only thing that wasn't revealed that we know of is that Delgar was the bodygaurd and his served his purpose by NOT revealing. Thank you Delgar!

Have we totally forgotten about GGG? Why did he tell people to not accept letters and then accept on himself. I was trying to formulate(ha!) a theory for his ridiculous claim that he tracked Puxlut AND Puxlut's actions were redirected to ECF. I cannot see any scenario where this could possibly happen unless it was a mafia-hatched plan. Why would a townie, or even mafia, think that there would be any action on Puxlut on Night 2 in order to redirected it. And Drury and I have gone over the roles, there is none for redirecting the actions of the initiator. GGG and a mafia-mate hatched this plan. So my vote still stays where it is.
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2. Timing of MOT: Timbo makes a good point about the the timing of the MOTs. If they are players it's too difficult to make sure the right players are online at the time of hammer. The hammer could be anytime. I hammered early on Day 1 and everyone must have been scrambling. Even if they are observers, the timing is still quiet difficult. Also MOT says we played like crap, that sounds like an observer.
Actually this explains your reasoning for hammer that first night to me. If you wanted to make sure that you and Starseed could both post in the MOT using the hammer at the right time makes the most sense.
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