CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Timbo]

I'm starting to think the Oling- Delgar spat is very contrived. And certainly comes up at a very inopportune moment.

Right now I feel as a puppet or better yet a marionette. This game is different than others. I feel experience manipulating us.
To much vote-unvote. We are not in a rush yet, we do need to hear last words.
GP_Matt states he has a get out of lynch free card.
hmmhmmcamo gives us nothing except just wait until I turn. The poo on you card.
Yet when, when GP_Matt was on the ropes when did the disturbance hit? Oling and Delgar who have an argument that no one really can get behind yet still festers and pops when its go time. Now that has been "resolved" and Oling votes mrkajz44?

Both Delgar and Oling play the scenario game with themselves and move votes get moved, accusations tossed.
Something is not right here. The timing is bad the optics are bad.

If we want to lynch I say lynch... there will be townies lost in this war. If we make a mistake let it be by our hands and not scum. I hate to say it but lynching is actually a tool. A tool we have to use wisely but not be afraid to use.
I think Mafia is making us afraid to use it.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

If the hammer drops what is the next step? Does the day end and #2 gets lynched? Chu wonders if GP can still be night killed.

This is sketchy to me. Does he want to know so the mafia can night kill him?
Not only am I jealous about the Hawaii thing, I'm pissed about not contributing anything good. And when he decided to get his head out of the sand, it's to post this?
unvote
vote squiggs96


I'm going to bed. Hopefully something useful comes out tonight

[dissentowner]

Ok, I just signed up for that tapatalk thingy so hopefully it works. I for one am not changing my vote. I think GP_Matt will try anything to save his bacon and I would still rather lynch and see

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

This is sketchy to me. Does he want to know so the mafia can night kill him?
Not only am I jealous about the Hawaii thing, I'm pissed about not contributing anything good. And when he decided to get his head out of the sand, it's to post this?
unvote
vote squiggs96


I'm going to bed. Hopefully something useful comes out tonight

So squiggs96 plays the dumb card and you question it? WTF?
I do not like his inactivity at all, we are in agreement on that.
This game is great we have 2 Inspector Clouseau's and Laurel and Hardy

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, I just signed up for that tapatalk thingy so hopefully it works. I for one am not changing my vote. I think GP_Matt will try anything to save his bacon and I would still rather lynch and see

Thanked for your directness. I took a bullet to the face last game pushing what might have been a bluff. I'm with you here I ain't shy. You could be scum but I'm willing to call what I think is a bluff by GP_Matt. To much vote-unvote misdirection here and I wonder why.

[mrkajz44]

This whole Matt thing is interesting. I think he is telling the truth. He's been in the hot seat both days and is in danger of getting lynched, but seems unfazed by it. By the way he's been playing so far, I just believe that he is lynchproof.

So what does that mean for the town? Trying to lynch Matt now that he's made the lynchproof claim is too risky in my opinion. Depending on night events and more information, maybe he becomes a target again, but trying to lynch someone who claims to be lynchproof is a dangerous game when we already lost three townies last night.

I'm sticking with hmmm, for the moment. I mean, I wasn't even going to vote against Matt before this revelation, so no need to switch my vote at this time. Hmmm has been scummy for a little bit, and the deflecting posts seem to be back with the Matt news out.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I'm starting to think the Oling- Delgar spat is very contrived. And certainly comes up at a very inopportune moment.

Right now I feel as a puppet or better yet a marionette. This game is different than others. I feel experience manipulating us.
To much vote-unvote. We are not in a rush yet, we do need to hear last words.
GP_Matt states he has a get out of lynch free card.
hmmhmmcamo gives us nothing except just wait until I turn. The poo on you card.
Yet when, when GP_Matt was on the ropes when did the disturbance hit? Oling and Delgar who have an argument that no one really can get behind yet still festers and pops when its go time. Now that has been "resolved" and Oling votes mrkajz44?

Both Delgar and Oling play the scenario game with themselves and move votes get moved, accusations tossed.
Something is not right here. The timing is bad the optics are bad.

If we want to lynch I say lynch... there will be townies lost in this war. If we make a mistake let it be by our hands and not scum. I hate to say it but lynching is actually a tool. A tool we have to use wisely but not be afraid to use.
I think Mafia is making us afraid to use it.

Where I agree with you is after disclosure we need to be more willing to lynch. We still should wait for disclosure though. The mafia are going to role claim we need to challenge it.

I had the same thought during the delgar/Oling spat both moved up notches on my list. They also are the first two votes per Mazrims list on GP and hmmhmmcamo.

I think that our vig needs to kill GP as the risk implied by his claim is too high regardless of his alignment. I still think he is town though but from a risk standpoint not worth it to keep him around.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Where I agree with you is after disclosure we need to be more willing to lynch. We still should wait for disclosure though. The mafia are going to role claim we need to challenge it.

I had the same thought during the delgar/Oling spat both moved up notches on my list. They also are the first two votes per Mazrims list on GP and hmmhmmcamo.

I think that our vig needs to kill GP as the risk implied by his claim is too high regardless of his alignment. I still think he is town though but from a risk standpoint not worth it to keep him around.

Ok, well if somebody can confirm for me that they are going to off Matt I am on board to listen to another direction for a lynch. I guess ECF can do that tmrw right? Makes sense.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

This is sketchy to me. Does he want to know so the mafia can night kill him?
Not only am I jealous about the Hawaii thing, I'm pissed about not contributing anything good. And when he decided to get his head out of the sand, it's to post this?
unvote
vote squiggs96


I'm going to bed. Hopefully something useful comes out tonight

I'm legitimately wondering what happens if we lynch a guy who cannot be lynched. How is this a bad question, especially since I've never played a mafia game before? If we hammered GP, Pika wants to know if ECF can use his night action to still kill GP. I feel GP is mafia, and have made that clear with my posts and votes, so I'm not worried if the mafia night kills him. Since we were about to lynch him almost twice, I don't think they night kill him if he is town. You didn't even answer Chu's questions or tell me why they were dumb. If we have to lynch him twice in order to kill him, why not vote him out now in order to get the first one out of the way? If not, doesn't that make him invincible the rest of the game? Pika is asking questions that hopefully help him to play better.

You can vote for pika all you want. When I flip town you've voted off another townie and have gained absolutely zero information. I'll be back home on the 10th which will allow me to be in front of a computer instead of an iPad. Chu is posting as much as he can from Hawaii, and although I wish it was more, I'm not apologizing for being on vacation.

We have been set to hammer a few times now and then it turns right before. I've voted on each of these. Pika is in favour of hammering GP still. I have no idea how it went from hammering him twice to wanting to protect him.

[Drury18]

I decided to go back through all the posts and see what the vote/unvote has been for each player. What I found is that 3 people already make up just over 25% of all voting activity.

(order of listing isn't by vote total, but Mazrim's initial character list)

1. formulate

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , Rathji , Unvote Rathji, RatherDashing (5)
Day 2: East Coast Flame, Unvote East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo (3)

Total: 8

2. devo22 (KILLED)

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , GP_Matt , Unvote GP_Matt, RatherDashing (5)

Total: 5

3. Drury18

Day 1: GGG , Unvote GGG, GP_Matt (3)
Day 2: GP_Matt (1)

Total: 4

4. Wood

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , RatherDashing, Unvote RatherDashing, RatherDashing (5)
Day 2: hmmhmmcamo, Unvote hmmhmmcamo, East Coast Flame, unvote East Coast Flame, GP_Matt, unvote GP_Matt (6)

Total: 11

5. dissentower

Day 1: Squiggs96 , Unvote Squiggs86 , GP_Matt , Unvote GP_Matt, RatherDashing (5)
Day 2: GP_Matt, Unvote GP_Matt, GP_Matt (3)

Total: 8

6. starseed

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , GGG , Unvote GGG, Squiggs96, Unvote Squiggs96, GP_Matt (7)
Day 2: GirlySports, unvote GirlySports, East Coast Flame, Unvote East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, unvote hmmhmmcamo, Aeneas (7)

Total: 14

7. hmmhmmcamo

Day 1: RatherDashing , Unvote RatherDashing, RatherDashing (3)
Day 2: GP_Matt (1)

Total: 4

8. Squiggs

Day 1: Baxter Renegade , Unvote Baxter Renegade , GP_Matt (3)
Day 2: GP_Matt, Unvote GP_Matt, East Coast Flame, Unvote East Coast Flame, GP_Matt (5)

Total: 8

9. Bizaro96 (KILLED)

Day 1: Day 1: Baxter Renegade , Unvote Baxter Renegade , GP_Matt (3)

Total: 3

10. Stazzy33/HockeyGuy15

Day 1: Squiggs96 (1)
Day 2: hmmhmmcamo (1)

Total: 2

11. RatherDashing (KILLED)

Day 1: No Votes

Total: 0

12. Rathji

Day 1: GGG , Unvote GGG , GP_Matt (3)
Day 2: hmmhmmcamo (1)

Total: 4

13. Timbo


Day 1: Squiggs , Unvote Squiggs , Rathji , Unvote Rathji , GP_Matt , Unvote GP_Matt (6)
Day 2: GirlySports, Unvote GIrlySports, hmmhmmcamo (3)

Total: 9

14. Delgar

Day 1: Squiggs , Unvote Squiggs, RatherDashing, Unvote RatherDashing, RatherDashing (5)
Day 2: Puxlut, Unvote Puxlut, hmmhmmcamo, unvote hmmhmmcamo, Oiling_Roachman (5)

Total: 10

15. GGG

Day 1: Squiggs , Unvote Squiggs , Oiling_Roachman , Unvote Oiling_Roachman , GP_Matt (5)
Day 2: mrkajz, Unvote mrkajz, East Coast Flame, unvote East Coast Flame, East Coast Flame, unvote East Coast Flame, GIrlySports, unvote GirlySports, Baxter Renegade, unvote Baxter Renegade, GirlySports (11)

Total: 16

16. mrkajz

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , Squiggs96 , Unvote Squiggs96 , GP_Matt, Unvote GP_Matt, RatherDashing (7)
Day 2: East Coast Flame, Unvote East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo (3)

Total: 10

17. Baxter Renegade/Aeneas

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , GP_Matt , Unvote GP_Matt, RatherDashing (5)
Day 2: starseed (1)

Total: 6

18. GirlySports

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86, RatherDashing (3)
Day 2: GP_Matt, unvote GP_Matt, GP_Matt (3)

Total: 6

19. East Coast Flame

Day 1: GGG , Unvote GGG , Baxter Renegade , Unvote Baxter Renegade , GP_Matt , Unvote GP_Matt, RatherDashing, Unvote RatherDashing, RatherDashing (9)
Day 2: GP_Matt, unvote GP_Matt (2)

Total: 11

20. Oiling_Roachman

Day 1: Squiggs , Unvote Squiggs , Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86 , Squiggs , Unvote Squiggs, GP_Matt (7)
Day 2: Delgar, Unvote Delgar, GP_Matt, Unvote GP_Matt, GP_Matt, unvote GP_Matt, mrkajz (7)

Total: 14

21. GP_Matt

Day 1: Bizaro86 , Unvote Bizaro86, RatherDashing (3)
Day 2: Unvote GP_Matt, East Coast Flame, unvote East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, unvote hmmhmmcamo, GirlySports, unvote GirlySports, hmmhmmcamo (8)

Total: 11

22. Puxlut

Day 1: RatherDashing (1)
Day 2: Baxter Renegade, unvote Baxter Renegade, GP_Matt, unvote GP_Matt, Squiggs96 (5)

Total: 6


Total Votes: 170

Top 3 in Voting Activity: GGG (16), starseed (14), Oiling_Roachman (14) - 25.8% of all voting activity

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

But that's not what you said.



This is what you said, and it's the sort of thing that diss mentioned in his post about people pulling votes away from Matt. Plus there's already been scenarios tossed out that wouldn't require two lynches to get rid of him.

Scenarios like the one I listed below, at the same time as GGG?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Matt can you still be night killed by mafia or by ECF's poison?

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

ECF could poison him? It would take a day but then we don't waste a lynch?

So to summarize...Matt says he is lynch proof, I ask if he can be killed other ways, suggest we could use ECF's poison to kill him, then agree that we probably shouldn't waste lynches on him and you come in and accuse me of trying to steer votes off Matt, who possibly can not be lynched?

Do you see why I have a hard time wrapping my head around your logic? You are currently second on the chopping block, so it really looks like you are scrambling and deflecting.

[Aeneas]

Okay, haven't read everything but close to it...but I read pages and pages of recent posts then went back and read from page one. I have to sleep now.

Interesting reading it that way, knowing who is targeted and then reading their posts from day 1 on.

Anyway, unvote

Vote: hmmhmmcamo

My reason for choosing hmmhmmcamo, is that he only made a contribution or posted when threatened or challenged. Not really at other times. Just stood out for me on my horrific night of reading giant thread.

[formulate]

It's probably a good thing this happened relatively close to an actual night, hopefully it allows everyone to get their heads back on straight.

Here are all the possibilities on how to proceed:

1. Go ahead with the lynch of GP_Matt. I believe there is a chance he's lying to attempt to save himself and is mafia. It would be a genius fake reveal. Worst case: we lose 4 townies over the 2 nights and Matt flips town as well. Best case: Matt is lying scum, and dies. Other possibilities include Matt being mafia but not lying, the potential serial killer hitting mafia, or the second kill just being an assassin or townie nightkill of some sort.

2. Leave GP_Matt alone for now, and proceed with looking for other scum. Hmmhmmcamo is still my vote, and hasn't done anything to change it, but I could be convinced to switch to Girlysports, or others if I agreed with the evidence. Hope for the best with the lynch and hope like hell Matt is light.

3. Switch the lynch target, and attempt to kill Matt at night. We know nearly 100% that the doc has a delayed night kill. We also know that someone (whether town or mafia) has the ability to switch the target or someone's night action. Looking back at game 1, the mafia members had bus driving and roleblocking abilities. Assuming Matt is scum, I'm pretty sure ECF's night action will be deflected. Even if a townie with a night kill came forward, there's the possibility of them having two members that can deflect.

Another problem is that ECF will likely be killed and won't be able to report of his action was blocked or redirected. We would, however, be able to get that info from another townie with a nightkill power. This should tell us that Matt is scum and worth taking 2 nights to lynch. Problem with this is that it would make sense for the mafia to block/redirect that power too, even if Matt is town because it would draw all of our attention to him for another day or more. Unless I'm missing something, this just isn't going to work (assuming the mafia have similar powers to the first game).

4. Best case: We have a vigilante who can blow Matt's head off immediately and get us back on track hunting scum. Even if Matt is town it would be well worth the loss to get this distraction out of our hair. My vote would remain with hmmhmmcamo.

[formulate]

If you skipped over my last post, go back and read it now. We had 4 dmen tonight at hockey so this time I'm sure my logic is sound. I apologize again for length but believe this one was necessary because there were some headless chickens in this thread.

[formulate]

But also please tell me if I'm missing something because regardless of not having to log 30 minutes of ice time today, it's still 1:30 in the damn morning and #### I just realized I let an internet game of mafia with randoms take over my life.

[GGG]

I like Drurys list.

One, you counted unvote a in addition to votes. This increases the disparity between the high and low voters as each vote but the first each day requires an unvote.

The first thing I notice is that the high voters are all high posters and low posters are low voters. This makes sense as if you post a lot your vote will shift with what's happening or your vote will be used to apply pressure.

In order of votes cast followed by posting order

1. GGG - 1
2. Star - 11
3. Oling - 2
4. Wood - 8
5. ECF- 5
6. Gp_Matt - 3
7. Delgar - 4
8. Mrkaj -15
9, Timbo -7
10. Formulate - 14
11. Squiggs -18
12. diss - 10
13Aeneas -19
14. Girly -6
15. Puxlut -9
16. Rathji -17
17. Hmmm -16
18. Drury -13
19. HG -12

A pattern of vote low, high post is consistent with trying to seem active but not leave a trail.
So HG (replacement skews his numbers), Drury, Puxlut, girly fit this pattern with both pux and girly being the most extreme.

[GGG]

There may be some mistakes in my vote count order and there are ties which I just put in the order I found them on Drurys list (not the order of Drurys list but when I found them, sorting that list took longer than I thought it would.). So if anyone has corrections please quote and correct.

[Hockeyguy15]

I think low post count, high vote count could also been seem suspect behaviour. You just show up to vote, probably whatever the group is voting without trying to help figure out who the mafia members are.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by formulate

It's probably a good thing this happened relatively close to an actual night, hopefully it allows everyone to get their heads back on straight.

Here are all the possibilities on how to proceed:

1. Go ahead with the lynch of GP_Matt. I believe there is a chance he's lying to attempt to save himself and is mafia. It would be a genius fake reveal. Worst case: we lose 4 townies over the 2 nights and Matt flips town as well. Best case: Matt is lying scum, and dies. Other possibilities include Matt being mafia but not lying, the potential serial killer hitting mafia, or the second kill just being an assassin or townie nightkill of some sort.

2. Leave GP_Matt alone for now, and proceed with looking for other scum. Hmmhmmcamo is still my vote, and hasn't done anything to change it, but I could be convinced to switch to Girlysports, or others if I agreed with the evidence. Hope for the best with the lynch and hope like hell Matt is light.

3. Switch the lynch target, and attempt to kill Matt at night. We know nearly 100% that the doc has a delayed night kill. We also know that someone (whether town or mafia) has the ability to switch the target or someone's night action. Looking back at game 1, the mafia members had bus driving and roleblocking abilities. Assuming Matt is scum, I'm pretty sure ECF's night action will be deflected. Even if a townie with a night kill came forward, there's the possibility of them having two members that can deflect.

Another problem is that ECF will likely be killed and won't be able to report of his action was blocked or redirected. We would, however, be able to get that info from another townie with a nightkill power. This should tell us that Matt is scum and worth taking 2 nights to lynch. Problem with this is that it would make sense for the mafia to block/redirect that power too, even if Matt is town because it would draw all of our attention to him for another day or more. Unless I'm missing something, this just isn't going to work (assuming the mafia have similar powers to the first game).

4. Best case: We have a vigilante who can blow Matt's head off immediately and get us back on track hunting scum. Even if Matt is town it would be well worth the loss to get this distraction out of our hair. My vote would remain with hmmhmmcamo.

If GP_matt is lynchproof, and we lynch him, do we lynch him the next day, automatically?

Is it worth it to waste 2 lynches in a row to kill one person? I dont think so this early in the game.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Rathji

If GP_matt is lynchproof, and we lynch him, do we lynch him the next day, automatically?

Is it worth it to waste 2 lynches in a row to kill one person? I dont think so this early in the game.

That was the point of my post, discussing the merits of the options. My order of preference (assuming they are all possible) would be 4, 2, 1, 3.

3 just doesn't seem like it's gonna work unless someone with a night kill does it without telling the group. 4 is the best case scenario, but a vig might not even be present. 1 is pretty risky but the highest reward if Matt is scum and lying.