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[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

We've been trying to work through with the information we have, and generally speaking we have been doing it without being called out. It's kind of suspicious to not say anything, then pop in when your name comes up an give "suspects".

That's a fair comment. I've been having trouble keeping up with day 2 this weekend so I've been hesitant to throw out my ideas with out doing a bit more research first.

But in all fairness I'm being called out to contribute, so I do, and then people say it's suspicious. How about discussing my suggestions instead? What's your take on GirlySports supposed rejection?

[Timbo]

hmmhmmcamo since you have contributed so very little it is very easy to quickly go through your posts and I was surprised to see how much little value you offer.

3 posts were in essence the same information we get from reading Mazrims first post
Another post is nothing but two quotes... you add nothing?
2 other posts were arguing about the random generator and rules
1 or more defending your Random generator idea
1 was a self deprecation.
1 post (just recently) was your idea of hunting
A couple on joining in on the vote
2 deflective
1 just an attempt at humour
And then this last post which again is deflective.
BTW this list not in order of posts

Out of the 26 times that you have posted most of it is pure doo doo if you are not scum you are not much of a townie are you?

I invite everyone to take some time out to read through his posts and look for value or think it is just attempts to fly under the radar while he lurks and schemes with his scummy friends.
Or maybe I am seeing northing here?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

We've been trying to work through with the information we have, and generally speaking we have been doing it without being called out. It's kind of suspicious to not say anything, then pop in when your name comes up an give "suspects".

Exactly my thoughts on hmmm too. Also, the descriptions on why hmmm thinks they are suspicious and should be voted out are pretty weak and full of fluff.

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

But in all fairness I'm being called out to contribute, so I do, and then people say it's suspicious. How about discussing my suggestions instead? What's your take on GirlySports supposed rejection?

My take on Girly is mixed. As I've said, her posts are usually vague and follows the pack. However, her rejection of the Guardians seems legit to me. She said the same thing as starseed and when I got the invite it matched her description as well. In addition, my invite did come after she said she rejected so the timeline works. So I think she is being truthful with the Guardians which leans more town in my opinion. Really puts me on the fence with Girly.

All in all, I think hmmm's posts are mostly deflecting and never have a ton of substance. They are my number one target now, so I'll add my vote. Trying to lynch scum rather than get caught up in the Eternals / Guardians is more important right now, IMO.

Vote: hmmhmmcamo

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Timbo

hmmhmmcamo since you have contributed so very little it is very easy to quickly go through your posts and I was surprised to see how much little value you offer.

3 posts were in essence the same information we get from reading Mazrims first post
Another post is nothing but two quotes... you add nothing?
2 other posts were arguing about the random generator and rules
1 or more defending your Random generator idea
1 was a self deprecation.
1 post (just recently) was your idea of hunting
A couple on joining in on the vote
2 deflective
1 just an attempt at humour
And then this last post which again is deflective.
BTW this list not in order of posts

Out of the 26 times that you have posted most of it is pure doo doo if you are not scum you are not much of a townie are you?

I invite everyone to take some time out to read through his posts and look for value or think it is just attempts to fly under the radar while he lurks and schemes with his scummy friends.
Or maybe I am seeing northing here?

Like I've already said, I was part of the nonsense that went on Day 1 of last game that you should remember extremely well. I've acknowledged that I'm sitting back and hesitant to get involved for that reason.

I get that we have to hunt scum, but just because people are posting a lot and throwing out seven different kinds of smoke, doesn't mean it is benefiting the town. Look at the early role reveal we've already had this game. We're not off to a good start again.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

That's a fair comment. I've been having trouble keeping up with day 2 this weekend so I've been hesitant to throw out my ideas with out doing a bit more research first.

But in all fairness I'm being called out to contribute, so I do, and then people say it's suspicious. How about discussing my suggestions instead? What's your take on GirlySports supposed rejection?

I'm not saying you are suspicious for contributing now, I'm saying it's the way you did it that was suspicious. You were MIA, and get called out and then you suddenly show up and have 3 suspects.

Re: girlysports...I just assumed she wasn't lying about rejecting an invite, so I never thought of her being mafia and pretending to be invited. At this point with all the suspision about cults you're better off not getting an offer from them because there is so much unknown about them.

[mrkajz44]

Speaking of the Guardians though, I wonder if another invite is out there right now? Based on the timing from when Girly said she rejected her offer until I got mine, I would have to assume another offer has been made.

Has anybody got one yet? I think either someone has it and is keeping quiet for now, or they could have not seen the invite yet due to inactivity. Time will tell I suppose, but I suspect is is the former.

[squiggs96]

I definitely poke my head in from time to time and I keep my status open so it doesn't look like I'm hiding. Right now I'm on hole #11 of the Hapuna Golf Course. Most of pika's theories have gained zero traction and several were dismissed without discussion. I still think Matt's the correct vote.

[GP_Matt]

If girly made ip the invite then I think she had to have had help which means Starseed is also mafia and he gave her a copy of the invite. Far too ballsy to claim you received it if you haven't even seen it.

I am not sure what I think of ECFs revelation yet. I think it was a bit early as we still have a lot of time so it would be a big hail mary from the mafia who will likely attack him tonight.
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Vote:hmmhmmcamo
I am moving my vote over to Hmm partly because he hasn't been contributing much and partly because what he has been posting is suspicious.

I have other people on my watch list but it is just that for now, people to pay more attention to. I am also working on a list of people who I trust or whose reasoning seems strong but not sure if sharing that will be helpful or not.

I still suspect Girly for dropping the hammer too fast, but she was encouraged by several others so they should be equally as suspicious. Someone posted their names earlier in the day.

I also suspect Oling as he was quoting me out of context trying to build a case against me. I have a lot of doubts of my suspicion though and it could be more personal then gameplay.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not saying you are suspicious for contributing now, I'm saying it's the way you did it that was suspicious. You were MIA, and get called out and then you suddenly show up and have 3 suspects.

I see that. I had a post going in Word this morning while farting around the house and then saw I was being called out. So I put up what I had.

Re: girlysports...I just assumed she wasn't lying about rejecting an invite, so I never thought of her being mafia and pretending to be invited. At this point with all the suspision about cults you're better off not getting an offer from them because there is so much unknown about them.

so perhaps we should take one of them out and see what happens? I think we will learn more from that vs voting me out for not being as active as others.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Like I've already said, I was part of the nonsense that went on Day 1 of last game that you should remember extremely well. I've acknowledged that I'm sitting back and hesitant to get involved for that reason.

I get that we have to hunt scum, but just because people are posting a lot and throwing out seven different kinds of smoke, doesn't mean it is benefiting the town. Look at the early role reveal we've already had this game. We're not off to a good start again.

Well if you don't recall the final result please let me refresh you memory
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...56&postcount=1

The object of the game as a townie is to have townies remain while Mafia is eliminated. Even if you die Townie team wins!

So of what benefit to the town are you if you draw your shades and hide under your bed?
Mafia know who you are? Do you think they will overlook you?
No they will not.
When are you going to come out from under your bed Day 2 Day 3? Mafia is loving townies like you because you pose ZERO threat.

Lecture over

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Well if you don't recall the final result please let me refresh you memory
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...56&postcount=1

The object of the game as a townie is to have townies remain while Mafia is eliminated. Even if you die Townie team wins!

So of what benefit to the town are you if you draw your shades and hide under your bed?
Mafia know who you are? Do you think they will overlook you?
No they will not.
When are you going to come out from under your bed Day 2 Day 3? Mafia is loving townies like you because you pose ZERO threat.

Lecture over

Vote: GP_Matt

I think we learn more voting him out than anyone else right now.

I’m heading out for the afternoon to go watch JumpShip. I’ll be back on tonight so if it looks like it’s my time to go, I’d appreciate the chance to give some info that hopefully the town can use once my card flips. Here’s the updated vote count (I think).

Hasn’t Voted:
(7): Drury18, Baxter Renegade, Delgar, , Wood, formulate GGG,

Voted:
GP_Matt (6): GirlySports, East Coast Flame, Oling_Roachinen, squiggs96, dissentowner, hmmhmmcamo
Hmmhmmcamo (6): Rathji, starseed, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, mrkajz44, GP_Matt
Baxter Renegade (1): Puxlut,

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I see that. I had a post going in Word this morning while farting around the house and then saw I was being called out. So I put up what I had.

so perhaps we should take one of them out and see what happens? I think we will learn more from that vs voting me out for not being as active as others.

That would mean either ECF, Matt, starseed would be the vote.

ECF - says he is the doctor and has a delayed night kill, at this point we can't lynch him in the event he is telling the truth

Matt - I tend to lean towards him being town. I don't think he would have commented on RD's availability if he was scum as it would put unneeded suspicion on him.

Starseed - I am unsure of his alignment, I think the biggest question about him is joining the cult.

So I guess I am more suspicious of you at the point compared to the 3 cult members. ECF could be lying, but we have no choice to let it play out for now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I also suspect Oling as he was quoting me out of context trying to build a case against me. I have a lot of doubts of my suspicion though and it could be more personal then gameplay.

I'm pretty sure every post gave a link to your post for everyone to see. The only reason the issue came up was because of this post:

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Girly - Hammer can start on Saturday - you've mis-quoted twice saying it cannot fall until Sunday.

Also, just saw the Girly turned down the invite to the Guardians with no real ill consequences. Looking back at my post, I am now changing my mind a bit on these new factions. I was under the impression it was a 'blackmail' invitation, but it looks like it was only ECF that told this story. However, the entry into the Guardians may be (and likely is) different from the Eternals. Hard to say, but it appears ECF is alone in his story for now.

I'm keeping my vote on ECF.

I was just letting the town know that this was incorrect as you and East Coast Flames seemed to suggest you were 'blackmailed' into joining (with becoming powerless or whatever).

But then you deny being blackmailed, or whatever you did. Once again seems like you and mrkajz44 are planning things together or something. Otherwise I don't now how mrkajz44 could miss the post about you saying it sounds like you may have been maybe sort of blackmailed into joining and accuse only East Coast Flames doing it, unless he knew you would deny the blackmail.

[GGG]

ECF I have some thoughts on your night kill.

I think targeting another inactive poster is a good idea if hmm hmm flips town. Sine we had more or less been ignoring them there is probably one hiding amoungst them.

If he flips mafia than I would assume that he would be the only mafia member amoung the inactives as they want to be spread out.

A few other thoughts about the night kill,

Doctor is a great claim for scum to make. If ECF has a night kill which I believe as the poison thing seems to odd to make up. Then if he is scum he is trying to get by today's lynch to use it on a townie.

We don't have any way to prove ECFs statements other than the doctor to counterclaim which would be a terrible idea and favour the mob. The other option would be the redirector who could redirect ECFs powers which should in theory redirect both the protection and the night kill neutralizing the effect.

Our options are
Lynch and possibly lose doctor but if mob save a townie
Redirect neutralizing his power but forcing the mafia to kill our doctor.
Let him kill someone with his night kill hopefully not redirected and hopefully town.

I am not sure where to go or how to approach it. My only thought is if you were the town doctor would you be 4th in post count or would you try to hide better.?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Matt - I tend to lean towards him being town. I don't think he would have commented on RD's availability if he was scum as it would put unneeded suspicion on him.

If he is town, he had no reason to defend RatherDashing. He wouldn't have known if he was town or not.

If he is mafia, he knows RatherDashing is town, so he isn't putting his neck out at all. If he is mafia, it makes sense to keep an inactive player who probably wont even post for the next couple days.

He did want to let RatherDashing speak, I think that is a huge bonus to his credibility. But too much other stuff I can't seem to overlook.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Vote: GP_Matt

I think we learn more voting him out than anyone else right now.

I’m heading out for the afternoon to go watch JumpShip. I’ll be back on tonight so if it looks like it’s my time to go, I’d appreciate the chance to give some info that hopefully the town can use once my card flips. Here’s the updated vote count (I think).

Hasn’t Voted:
(7): Drury18, Baxter Renegade, Delgar, , Wood, formulate GGG,

Voted:
GP_Matt (6): GirlySports, East Coast Flame, Oling_Roachinen, squiggs96, dissentowner, hmmhmmcamo
Hmmhmmcamo (6): Rathji, starseed, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, mrkajz44, GP_Matt
Baxter Renegade (1): Puxlut,

Missing gps phantom vote.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Vote: GP_Matt

I think we learn more voting him out than anyone else right now.

I’m heading out for the afternoon to go watch JumpShip. I’ll be back on tonight so if it looks like it’s my time to go, I’d appreciate the chance to give some info that hopefully the town can use once my card flips. Here’s the updated vote count (I think).

Hasn’t Voted:
(7): Drury18, Baxter Renegade, Delgar, , Wood, formulate GGG,

Voted:
GP_Matt (6): GirlySports, East Coast Flame, Oling_Roachinen, squiggs96, dissentowner, hmmhmmcamo
Hmmhmmcamo (6): Rathji, starseed, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, mrkajz44, GP_Matt
Baxter Renegade (1): Puxlut,

Hold up, this is incorrect! GP_Matt has the extra vote so it's 7.

This is actually suspicious to me It could be an oversight, but he (I think) makes his first vote tally that conveniently leaves out the extra vote that could result in an extra quick hammer?

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Well if you don't recall the final result please let me refresh you memory
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...56&postcount=1

I remember that. I also remember it being pretty close in the end, closer than it had to be if we were a little smarter on day 1. Had the town lost I bet most people would point to the BS on day 1 as the reason.

The object of the game as a townie is to have townies remain while Mafia is eliminated. Even if you die Townie team wins!

So of what benefit to the town are you if you draw your shades and hide under your bed?
Mafia know who you are? Do you think they will overlook you?
No they will not.
When are you going to come out from under your bed Day 2 Day 3? Mafia is loving townies like you because you pose ZERO threat.

Lecture over

lol, settle down big shooter. I'm not trying to hide from the mafia. I'm trying to avoid a gong show like last time (and it's looking like this time too). And I'm trying to save my ass because I'm more benefit to the town alive then I am dead... pretty simple.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by GGG

Missing gps phantom vote.

you are correct. my bad.

[GP_Matt]

Something to consider if voting for me is we don't know what is going to happen with the eternals tomorrow. I received an auto vote against me today but will tomorrow bring two autovotes, one of none? If it keeps increasing then I will be dead sooner than later as will those who also join.

As I type this I realized that if a bunch of people join early then late in the game we will be auto killed which could trigger endless nights and a mafia victory.
If that is the case we are crazy to lynch me today and others should probably hold off joining these groups until tomorrow when we know more about it.