[PGT] flames @ jets, this time with 50% less turkey miley

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Carrying on the discussion from the GT thread



Agreed. And we've seen Grats do it numerous times last year. Monahan gets an ugly dump, Next shift Grats exchanges a few words with the guy, maybe lays a hit, and the other guy realizes he's going to get dummies and settles down. Lets get some more of that. He' really taken on that big brother role with Monahan, lets see that protector out there for the whole team.

Especially now that we've got guys like Bollig and Engelland that are supposed to be extra security. I know Engelland wasn't playing, but if the Jets are getting chippy, we had the tools to put an end to it. Instead we played right into it and let them get us angry.

Here in lies what may be the problem. Protecting only those he has an emotional connection with.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I like Backlund but that was dangerous and careless. He should get a one game suspension IMO.

[codynw]

Did McGrattan even get any ice time after the Backlund incident? Hard for him to do anything from the bench.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by codynw

Did McGrattan even get any ice time after the Backlund incident? Hard for him to do anything from the bench.

Don't think he did. I'm saying Hartley should have sent the big boys out even before the Backlund incident to settle things down. To Hartley's credit, he was trying to win a hockey game, but I think the few seconds it would have taken would have been worth it.

[AcGold]

It seems more likely that Hartley was trying to evaluate his players and didn't really care about winning so much just based on the lineup and line shuffling. Last chance to make big decisions.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It seems more likely that Hartley was trying to evaluate his players and didn't really care about winning so much just based on the lineup and line shuffling. Last chance to make big decisions.

Absolutely. I just hate the Jets and don't like seeing them get the better of us physically.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by codynw

Did McGrattan even get any ice time after the Backlund incident? Hard for him to do anything from the bench.

I can't be sure but I thought he did have a shift . Its not always laying the body on the person who committed the crime. Hit any one. That way the whole team gets on that player. " I'm getting killed out there because your an idiot. Stop it"

In Bolligs defence tho he already fought. In a fight he didn't even want to. Pardy dropped his gloves and Bollig took a while to respond has if he had to.

I know its borderline trivial about getting into enforcers not fighting but its getting to the point over the next fee years were we either need our security team to be security or bring up some youngins that have proved they are tough and can play.

[dammage79]

Bad hit by Backlund. I know Id be screaming bloody blue murder if that kind of hit was on any of the Flames players. Should at the very least be reviewed by the NHL.

On a similar note, Stajan took two..TWO hits to the head tonight. And the refs played equalizer on those calls. The last one the Flames got the PP but Backund got shipped off on a 10 minute misconduct (for apparently getting bounced around by two Jets).

And the first one I think the Flames ended up on a 4 on 4 because they sent Stajan off on a coincidental minor.

[Ashasx]

Is Setoguchi on waivers yet?

[AcGold]

The idea that a ref changes his reaction to a call because he is trying to even out an imbalance seems like the worst thing possible if you think about it. Instead of making one mistake they'll make multiple mistakes to fix that first one in effect just confusing everyone on the ice. The refing in the preseason has been questionable, the opposing team even looking straight at the refs wondering where the penalty call against them was. It's definitely lacked consistency and professionalism thus far.

[Rejean31]

Really unimpressed with Diaz and Setoguchi. Not just tonight but through the entire training camp.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Really unimpressed with Diaz and Setoguchi. Not just tonight but through the entire training camp.

Really? Diaz has been pretty good every game except tonight. Seems like the consensus among the media is that he'll get a contract offer soon.

[AcGold]

Yeah Diaz has seemed pretty good actually. With such a weak d-core Diaz is the exact kind of guy we should give a contract. Let him fill in or go up and down to Addy or even just sit in the pressbox. He's a free asset with no risk and only potential reward. At worst he plays a few games and is awful then never plays for the Flames again.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by codynw

Here's the Backlund hit for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Meh. It was like the Byron hit on Sedin kind of. The way he fell was awkward and unfortunate, but the hit itself doesn't exactly look malicious.

I'm going to assume the jets player had it coming if it was Backlund. Maybe one game, but even that's iffy to me.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Meh. It was like the Byron hit on Sedin kind of. The way he fell was awkward and unfortunate, but the hit itself doesn't exactly look malicious.

I'm going to assume the jets player had it coming if it was Backlund. Maybe one game, but even that's iffy to me.

That guy had just recently thrown Stajan an elbow so he did have something coming. Still though, Backlund threw a potentially paralyzing hit, not the right way to get revenge if that was his intention imo.

[djsFlames]

I really really hope Bob keeps his lines consistent from game 1. You're not going to do much offensively when you're playing with new guys every damn game. He needs to let them build chemistry. When Brent was coach he mixed it up every game and contrary to what he was trying to do, it actually killed our offense (on top of the terrible D system).

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

That guy had just recently thrown Stajan an elbow so he did have something coming. Still though, Backlund threw a potentially paralyzing hit, not the right way to get revenge if that was his intention imo.

Seems like less of a revenge issue and more of a heat of the moment reaction due to inconsistent refing confusing the players and making the game malicious with blatant non calls. Just my opinion but the referees seem to be putting the players in danger this season with how badly they are calling the games so far. Backlund could have paralyzed the guy because it got out of control.

[PeteMoss]

He's not getting suspending for that unless the NHL has completely changed the way they judge plays.

He's didn't smash him, the guy didn't get hurt (I think) and it was more of a tumble by Enstrom than anything.

Yes... people would be outraged if it happens to a Flames player, but you don't get suspended for plays like that.

[driveway]

If someone had made that hit on a Flame I'd want them suspended. Dangerous and unnecessary, and deserving of being sat down for a game. I will say this, though, he immediately stopped his pursuit of the puck to check on Enstrom. That at least shows he recognized his error. Not that I think that should mitigate any punishment, more it just makes me feel better about Backlund as an individual and a member of the Flames.

[GreenLantern2814]

That's a boarding major at worst. Not everything needs a suspension.