CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

How am I just blending in? I already accused you of not voting on Day 1 and waiting for the results as it got later into the night. You didn't vote for bizaro either, you're just laying in the weeds "Would have" and a cellphone is not a plausible excuse. The fact is, you didn't do it. You let this little dinosaur do it. I don't trust you either but for now my vote is staying with GP_Matt cause the Eternals thing bugs me more.

And I'm hunting like anyone else. I disclosed the voting inconsistency of GP_Matt and cast the first vote on Day 2. I'm not just following along, ECF and I are leading the charge. I think you are wandering around aimlessly.

Leading the charge at lynching people before they can disclose their ability when people are asking you to wait.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

Leading the charge at lynching people before they can disclose their ability when people are asking you to wait.

Great. I am being accused of both blending in and leading the charge.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

How am I just blending in? I already accused you of not voting on Day 1 and waiting for the results as it got later into the night. You didn't vote for bizaro either, you're just laying in the weeds "Would have" and a cellphone is not a plausible excuse. The fact is, you didn't do it. You let this little dinosaur do it. I don't trust you either but for now my vote is staying with GP_Matt cause the Eternals thing bugs me more.

And I'm hunting like anyone else. I disclosed the voting inconsistency of GP_Matt and cast the first vote on Day 2. I'm not just following along, ECF and I are leading the charge. I think you are wandering around aimlessly.

Let me get this straight, you accused me of not voting after I admitted to not voting?

You did that brilliant piece of detective work on your own did you?

Anyhow I have been wrong before and I could be now about you. I'm still sticking my vote with you though.
Maybe you can prove me wrong.

[mrkajz44]

Alright, finally got rid of my shadows at work today (never offer to do this btw).

I haven't had an in-depth read yet, but I'd like to chime in.

Yes, I was one of the people that supported hammer on RD. Based on the choas that occured after Matt came back, I wanted to avoid the potential for similar chaos if/when RD came back with a response. We were just over 5 hours from the deadline and I wanted to avoid missing a lynch. I see its been mentioned with so many votes out there, there is no way we could have missed it, but the votes could have been spread accross more than 2 people and I think there was enough of a possibility of missing the lynch to encourage the hammer.

I agree with allowing "final posts" for people to explain themselves, but not so close to deadline. Maybe I got swept up in the Matt panic that occurred, but missing a lynch on day 1 would have been awful.

I also see there is a vote on me right now from. Personally, I think the reason is pretty weak. I was disapointed to lose a townie with a power and saw no harm in expressing that in the twilight thread.

I have to read more on the Enternals / Gardians thing, but I agree with whoever voiced that for these people to be joining the groups after the cluster-fata it caused Matt must mean there is some value in joining the groups that they are not saying yet. However, I am on the fence if withholding information means they are mafia. Keeping a good role/power hidden is obviously very beneficial for us and should be protected.

All in all, I need to take a good re-read of todays actions as I just did a quick catch up now and then I'll post more in depth thoughts.

PS I do feel like squiggs has fallen off the radar again after being in the hot seat on day 1. The fact that we know bizarro is town lends even more evidence to me that the bizarro pile on from the weekend will likely have at least a few mafia in it becuase it did not happen to squiggs (also implicating them too).

Just had an idea... would it have been possible that the mafia killed Devo and Devo used his kill on Bizaro? Could that be how we had 2 kills?

[Kjesse]

So I did some googling.... and not to say this is correct, but it looks like there could be cults in our game which have their own win conditions. If that is what we have here, they win when they get half the population.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Let me get this straight, you accused me of not voting after I admitted to not voting?

You did that brilliant piece of detective work on your own did you?

Anyhow I have been wrong before and I could be now about you. I'm still sticking my vote with you though.
Maybe you can prove me wrong.

Can you vote? One thought I had was that the eternal leader couldn't vote so just external members start with votes so by recruiting he uses his votes.

[squiggs96]

I am in Hawaii right now so between surfing and the time zones my posting times will be odd. I followed along the vote after my last post. Pika didn't say anything as for the first time all game I wasn't one of the top two targets. I'd still have preferred to vote GP off. I don't see how his membership changed that and I think it makes him look more suspicious. Chu thinks we should continue down the path we were on and see what that flip brings. I agree his end game hasn't changed and he is still mafia. Him voting RD reaffirms that to me. Pika will post more tonight, mostly after you all have gone to bed but will vote for now, keeping it where it was on day 1.

vote GP_Matt

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you vote? One thought I had was that the eternal leader couldn't vote so just external members start with votes so by recruiting he uses his votes.

Yes I can vote and have voted. If there is a leader(s) is it possible they are not listed as participating players?

Squiggs96 is in Hawaii? Hell we should lynch him just out of jealousy.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Delgar

So I did some googling.... and not to say this is correct, but it looks like there could be cults in our game which have their own win conditions. If that is what we have here, they win when they get half the population.

Well if that is the case why would we not lynch the guys joining these cults?

At the very least (if these are cults) Maybe nobody else should accept.

[GGG]

I am definately in favour of lynching the person if they join the guardians tonight or the eternals tomorrow.

This gives us a few things.

It shows it's voluntary, and it stops the spread. Until we see a really cool power used I am not sure it's worth it to possibly lose more townies. If it is a cult they would have answered the win condition question the same way so we don't really know.

[East Coast Flame]

There is a punishment for not accepting. Not sure what it is though.

Also if I rejected, the offer would be made to someone else and I didn't want it falling into the wrong hands.

I don't think the "leader" knows the affiliations of people in the game.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

At the very least (if these are cults) Maybe nobody else should accept.

I agree with this.


I was looking at some of the later voters for RatherDashing and noticed that hmmhmmcamo hasn't added a lot, as already noted by others.

Of his posts of substance:

1)

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

Someone uses a random number generator and a camera phone to video themself... post it to YouTube for all to see and determine if it's legit. easy peasy.

This is against the rules, we can't bring anything out of the thread. He may have just glossed over that rule, but one of his few ideas he brings to the table wouldn't even be allowed.

2)

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

What about if we just don’t kill anyone on day one?

Based on the limited/zero knowledge we actually have right now, we’re most likely to pick off a town regardless of who we choose.

So why not keep our numbers higher and see what the first night brings us?

Already noted how bad idea this was.

3)

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

haha fart in the wind. I've been following along but didn't get a chance to get online until last night and at that point we were all waiting for GP Matt to respond. I found it odd that Matt and RD both responded this morning so close together after being mia for so long.

If the consensus is to vote out either Matt or RD, I'd lean towards RD as he mentioned he's out of town for the next few days and won't be able to post much anyway.

Vote: RatherDashing

I agree with the logic in this post.

4)

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

This is weird. I'm starting to think we should stick with the original plan and vote for Matt.

Unvote

Dont' know if we can blame anyone for going back and forth yesterday.

5)

Originally Posted by hmmhmmcamo

I'm down with this...

Vote: RatherDashing

But it didn't take too much to convince him to go back to RatherDashing near the hammer. He didn't vocalize support for the hammer or do it like the other 6 people but he didn't really contribute much and seemed to be laying especially low while upping his post counts with things we could get on the first post soon.

I still support my vote for Delgar and until someone claims they agree with his logic for voting out Puxlut (that since Mario and DK were killed we need to go after Bowser, the next most iconic - but also most iconic nintendo character) my vote will stick for him.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well if that is the case why would we not lynch the guys joining these cults?

We don't know the rule setup. The mafia knows more than us, because they know who they are and who we are. They know the numbers of their own ranks. They don't know who the cult leaders are I assume because they'd kill them if they did. In short, if the cult is a big problem, I expect the mafia will be forced to start killing them because if it gets away from them, the mafia will lose.

In some setups the cult leader dies if he tries to recruit mafia.

It looks to me like cultship is forced, otherwise we are likely to have heard from someone who said no. As pointed out before, ECF joined when he thought GP_Matt was a bad guy.... which makes no sense. I think GP_Matt is lying when he said his win conditions did not change.

I think we continue to try to lynch a mafia member for today. One of the sites did say though that if the cult isn't identified and gone after by day 2, the cult often wins. But here it looks like there are 2 cults.

Mafia would like it if the town started killing the cult, we're doing work they won't have to. That being said we have to be careful.

This of course leads me back to squiggs..... at this point I'm going to pull my vote off of Puxlut soon as I think she's said enough lately. My vote is likely going to land on squiggs or girlysports.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by GGG

It shows it's voluntary,

How?

[starseed]

Regarding the Guardians, I dont really know what is going on. Before I got the message, I researched cults/neighbourizers, but it didn't seem to fit. Maybe Mazrim has developed a balanced altered version of cults? Either way, I confirmed that my role/alignment would remain the same before I accepted.

Twilight portal - how do you guys know the messages from the twilight portal were not mafia trying to create confusion? Did it seem genuine? What reasons did they give for their list?

Right now I am having trouble getting a strong read. Girly seems too defensive. Delgar's actions have been very suspect. Stazzy has the lowest post count. ECF is a poster that I was wary of, and I agree with the poster who pointed out the hiding in plain sight theory.

Right now I am going to vote for someone who was in on the bizaro mob, and who lynched RD.

Vote: GirlySports

[Wood]

I'm good of we all agree no one else joins these groups. If it is a cult with their own winning condition that's just another battle for the town. If anyone else joins I think we should lynch them. I'm not against lynching any of the 3 already in a group either

In the meantime I'm focused on the biggest floater in the game, hmmhmmcamo. He's added nothing so far, other than today he posted an updated list of players (not necessarily helpful)

Day 1 he only had excuses of why he wasn't contributing, and he hasn't pointed a finger at anyone yet. He's just trying to stay off everyone's radar and float by. Until he adds anything or has a good defense I'm going to put some pressure on him

vote: hmmhmmcamo

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I agree with allowing "final posts" for people to explain themselves, but not so close to deadline.

Not only that, but potential to use powers. That's why I think there was a rush to vote him out. Mafia knew he wasn't mafia and were afraid he could come out with some special power. It made no sense to not let him come in during the evening and give one final chance to use it. Moot as he didn't, but I strongly believe that's what the mafia was trying to stop.

Maybe I got swept up in the Matt panic that occurred, but missing a lynch on day 1 would have been awful.

Maybe not as awful as voting out our role cop though....

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Delgar

How?

If someone rejects joining the guardians and no one joins it confirms what GP, Starseed, and ECF are saying that they chose to join.

If another guardian appears then it wouldn't have been voluntary and then it's more likely that it's a cult and their victory conditions have changed. We just need to be clear and convincing that anyone who joins gets lynched next.