10-03-2014, 04:18 PM
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Draft McDavid and move another centre to the wing.
Though if we do draft McDavid, the Flames will be in the same boat as the Oilers, with a bunch of highly-talented forwards and bare cupboards on the back end. Remember how we used to mock them for that? The Flames would have to seriously consider moving a top young forward for a top young d-man.
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10-03-2014, 04:21 PM
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Just for some devils advocacy, what if you were offered a package of, say:
- Ekblad
- Barkov
- Florida's 1st round pick in 2014 (let's say 7th overall, just for fun)
Does that (admittedly silly but I suppose not altogether impossible) proposal tempt anyone?
A generational talent is great for marketing and everything else, but would anyone argue that the team that got Lindros won that trade?
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10-03-2014, 04:25 PM
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People are forgetting about a big right winger who just may oust McDavid for the #1 spot by the time june comes around.
Connor McDavid will certainly be a good one but mark my words... Jack Eichel will be an absolute beast.
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10-03-2014, 04:29 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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You don't pass on generational talent.
1. you don't get many chances to actually acquire it
2. you will look like a fool when that talent outperforms whatever you get back
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10-03-2014, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
You don't pass on generational talent.
1. you don't get many chances to actually acquire it
2. you will look like a fool when that talent outperforms whatever you get back
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It worked out pretty good for Quebec/Colorado with Lindros........just sayin.
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10-03-2014, 04:33 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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It worked out pretty good for Quebec/Colorado with Lindros........just sayin.
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arguably only because of concussion issues
and its not like Quebec passed on him... and I doubt in this day and age you get the same package they got
Last edited by sureLoss; 10-03-2014 at 04:35 PM.
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10-03-2014, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
arguably only because of concussion issues
and its not like Quebec passed on him... and I doubt in this day and age you get the same package they got
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When you look at what Colorado turned that total package into there's not much of an argument:
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So looking down the line, Quebec received Forsberg, Roy, Tanguay, Blake and other key players for Lindros
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http://www.sportsology.com/node/11369
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10-03-2014, 04:39 PM
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This "generational talent" gets thrown around a lot and IMO too much. McDavid to me will be a #1 center in the NHL but not likely a generational player. The last one is Crosby and McDavid is no Crosby
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10-03-2014, 04:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T@T
This "generational talent" gets thrown around a lot and IMO too much. McDavid to me will be a #1 center in the NHL but not likely a generational player. The last one is Crosby and McDavid is no Crosby
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I disagree, I think both Eichel and McDavid will be 90+ point centres at minimum in their prime.
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10-03-2014, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
You don't pass on generational talent.
1. you don't get many chances to actually acquire it
2. you will look like a fool when that talent outperforms whatever you get back
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No worries. Flames won't either. 10-12% if were unlucky in 1 goal games again.
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10-03-2014, 04:43 PM
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Call me insanely crazy but I actually think Johnny Gaudreau will be a "generational talent"
I have never seen a 21 year old that reads the game that well...ever.
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10-03-2014, 04:44 PM
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Entirely disagree on the Lindros deal. Even though Quebec didn't want to do it, it has set their franchise up ever since. And in hindsight I would trade Lindros for Forsberg straight up, even without their respective injury issues.
I think you listen to offers when you've got the #1 pick. I don't think you do a deal because we're already deep enough at centre but if someone overpays enough, it could set up the franchise better than having McDavid.
Last edited by Fan in Exile; 10-03-2014 at 04:49 PM.
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10-03-2014, 04:46 PM
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Previous post was confusing. I was responding to Sureloss and was saying I would take Forsberg for Lindros straight-up, not vice-versa.
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10-03-2014, 04:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fan in Exile
Previous post was confusing. I was responding to Sureloss and was saying I would take Forsberg for Lindros straight-up, not vice-versa.
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Well only because Lindros got obliterated by concussions. Forsberg for a healthy Lindros straight up? Not in a million, Lindros was an unstoppable machine before his head went to mush.
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10-03-2014, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I disagree, I think both Eichel and McDavid will be 90+ point centres at minimum in their prime.
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90 isn't "generational" to me unless the + is well over a 100. Crosby is generational, his 1.4 PPG in the NHL is something McDavid is unlikey to even get close too.
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10-03-2014, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by T@T
90 isn't "generational" to me unless the + is well over a 100. Crosby is generational, his 1.4 PPG in the NHL is something McDavid is unlikey to even get close too.
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Ok, fair enough. I still think Gaudreau will be better than either one though. 
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10-03-2014, 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Call me insanely crazy but I actually think Johnny Gaudreau will be a "generational talent"
I have never seen a 21 year old that reads the game that well...ever.
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3 inches and 30lbs, the whole hockey world would be all over him.
Soon they will see the light! 
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10-03-2014, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Well only because Lindros got obliterated by concussions. Forsberg for a healthy Lindros straight up? Not in a million, Lindros was an unstoppable machine before his head went to mush.
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The thing is that both of them played a style that caused them to have frequent injuries. Great to speculate on what each could have done if they weren't injured but a big part of what made both of them great was that they played recklessly which ultimately ended both their careers.
Still, I don't see how you can say that Philly got the best of that deal.
Last edited by Fan in Exile; 10-03-2014 at 05:05 PM.
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10-03-2014, 04:59 PM
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nm.
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10-03-2014, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lanny9
You take McDavid, you can always move guys to the wing, you never give up a generational talent...... ever!
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Wasn't Tavares gonna be the next Gretzky? You just never know. Having said that, I think you just take the best player available, forget about specific positions. You can always acquire what you need later through trade. Better to be dealing from a position of strength
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