2014 Training Camp Cuts. UPD: Oct 5 - Baertschi, Jooris and Ortio cut

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Some interesting battles:

• Diaz vs Potter vs Sieloff vs Wotherspoon for 7D position. Room for 1 guy.
• Ferland vs Bollig vs Jooris for physical depth forward. Room for 1 guy.
• Ferland vs Gaudreau vs Setoguchi vs Baertschi vs Jones vs Granlund for top 9 winger. Room for 2 guys.
• Bennett vs Granlund vs Jooris for temporary IR replacement for Backlund (if required). Room for 1 guy.
• Hiller vs Ramo for starting goalie job. Room for 1 guy.

I don't want Sieloff or Wotherspoon kept up as the 7th d-man, they need to play.

Bollig is going to be on the 23 man roster also and very likely playing opening night.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's probably what it will be. I could see Jooris in instead of Granlund though.

I think it's extremely unlikely that no rookies make the team.

Even in the Sutter era a rookie cracked the roster from time to time, the vets on this roster aren't that great, or good even, that the coaches go all in on the vets. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Table 5

And probably Poirier and Klimchuk might start making a case too (although at least Poirier would fill a giant hole on RW). I'd assume perhaps 1-2 of the lesser lights like Jankowski, Reinhart, Smith, Arnold, Jooris etc will also develop to a point where the NHL might be the best way forward.

Log jam indeed.

It's one of the reasons I have no interest in re-signing a guy like Curtis Glencross.

And one of the reasons that signing Matt freakin Stajan to a 4 year extension was totally ridiculous.

[djsFlames]

I could see this being the opening night roster:

Glencross - Stajan - Jones
Raymond - Monahan - Hudler
Gaudreau - Colborne - Ferland/Setoguchi
Bollig - Bouma - McGrattan

Byron, Ferland/Setoguchi, *Backlund

Giodano - Brodie
Russel - Wideman
Smid - Engelland

Diaz

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Some interesting battles:

• Ferland vs Bollig vs Jooris for physical depth forward. Room for 1 guy.

Seeing that we traded a decent 3rd rounder for Bollig and his contract, I think management is going to give him the benefit of the doubt if it comes down to him and one of the other 2.

I never really understood the Bollig acquisition.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If we send our rookies down for another year of seasoning there will be an even bigger log jam next season when presumably Bennett and that years 1st will be ready for spots.

Nah, Next year we'll have Setoguchi, McGrattan, Glencross, and Byron dropping off the books and I would presume that Hudler will be shopped this year as well. That's five spots on forward. Backlund and Brodie extensions + a free agent upgrade on the blueline eat up the money that we need to spend to reach the floor and we're good.

Next years 1st isn't automatically going to contribute to a logjam either. I figure that if we draft 3rd or 4th (probably at least as likely as 1st or 2nd)it'll be Hanifin or Kylington... both d-men and we definetly don't have any sort of logjam at defense. And if by some circumstance we draft lower then that it's more likely that whomever it is goes back to their developmental league.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

And one of the reasons that signing Matt freakin Stajan to a 4 year extension was totally ridiculous.

He's a little over 3 million and has a modified NTC. For the jack of all trades type of skill he brings to a team that's very good value. It wouldn't be impossible to trade him if we absolutely had to.

[dino7c]

Gaudreau should be on this team injuries or no injuries

[moncton golden flames]

if i was gm;

Glencross - Stajan - Jones
Raymond - Monahan - Hudler
Byron - Backlund - Setoguchi
Bollig - Colbourne - Bouma
McGrattan


Giodano - Brodie
Russel - Wideman
Smid - Engelland
Diaz

Hiller
Ramo

[Caged Great]

Stajan is a good player to have because he can fill any of the 4 center spots effectively if need be. He's also not good enough to keep as the rebuild progresses, so if we need to deal him we can.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

if i was gm;

Glencross - Stajan - Jones
Raymond - Monahan - Hudler
Byron - Backlund - Setoguchi
Bollig - Colbourne - Bouma
McGrattan


Giodano - Brodie
Russel - Wideman
Smid - Engelland
Diaz

Hiller
Ramo

So... no kid makes the team? I think that's highly unlikely, given the performances so far from the likes of Gaudreau, Ferland, Baertschi and Granlund.

Sorry but I wouldn't hire you as GM lol.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by DOOM

I don't want Sieloff or Wotherspoon kept up as the 7th d-man, they need to play.

Bollig is going to be on the 23 man roster also and very likely playing opening night.

I wouldn't mind having Wotherspoon or even Sieloff as the 7th defenceman. He'll probably get in 50 or so games which is plenty.

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

He's a little over 3 million and has a modified NTC. For the jack of all trades type of skill he brings to a team that's very good value. It wouldn't be impossible to trade him if we absolutely had to.

Agreed. Stajan can play anywhere in your lineup down the middle with some effectiveness and is a decent defensive player. Unless Monahan has improved a ton defensively Stajan is tops with Backlund in terms of smart defensive hockey and face-offs. He's not exactly the sexy center people want to talk about but the guy plays his role well and teams need that role filled.

Pass him on the depth chart and you'll get his minutes, which is how it should be.

[DOOM]

I would have no problem calling one of them up if one of out top 6 got hurt to fill that roll.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Nah, Next year we'll have Setoguchi, McGrattan, Glencross, and Byron dropping off the books and I would presume that Hudler will be shopped this year as well. That's five spots on forward. Backlund and Brodie extensions + a free agent upgrade on the blueline eat up the money that we need to spend to reach the floor and we're good.

Next years 1st isn't automatically going to contribute to a logjam either. I figure that if we draft 3rd or 4th (probably at least as likely as 1st or 2nd)it'll be Hanifin or Kylington... both d-men and we definetly don't have any sort of logjam at defense. And if by some circumstance we draft lower then that it's more likely that whomever it is goes back to their developmental league.

I wouldn't want 5 rookies making the team at once. There needs to be a steady influx of 2 or 3 rookies so they can be protected or you end up with a situation like up north.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

if i was gm;

Glencross - Stajan - Jones
Raymond - Monahan - Hudler
Byron - Backlund - Setoguchi
Bollig - Colbourne - Bouma
McGrattan


Giodano - Brodie
Russel - Wideman
Smid - Engelland
Diaz

Hiller
Ramo

Pretty close to what I'd do except I'd go...

Glencross - Backlund - Hudler
Colbourne - Monahan - Setoguchi
Raymond - Stajan - Jones
Bollig - Bouma - Byron/McGrattan

D-men would be the same and I'd probably start Ramo over Hiller (although really they're 1A and 1B).

[Two Fivenagame]

Jeebus that 2011 draft....

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by moncton golden flames

if i was gm;

Glencross - Stajan - Jones
Raymond - Monahan - Hudler
Byron - Backlund - Setoguchi
Bollig - Colbourne - Bouma
McGrattan


Giodano - Brodie
Russel - Wideman
Smid - Engelland
Diaz

Hiller
Ramo

My take:

- Not sold on Diaz, would rather Wotherspoon slots in and just takes over Wideman's spot once he is up to speed, Wideman has not looked particularly impressive so far.
- I'd say sit on Jones in the press box or send him down, but if he did get picked up on waivers we'd have to figure out a way to stay above the cap floor which might be an issue. Either way he doesn't make my team.
- I'd also have Seto on a tight leash, If he doesn't impress quickly I'd bring Granlund back into the lineup (barring injury) and let him center the fourth with Colbourne slotting into the third line wing spot again.

Glencross - Stajan - Ferland
Raymond - Monahan - Hudler
Byron - Backlund - Setoguchi/Granlund
Bollig - Colbourne - Bouma
McGrattan


Giodano - Brodie
Russel - Wideman/Wotherspoon
Smid - Engelland
Wotherspoon/Wideman

Hiller
Ramo

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

or you end up with a situation like up north.

See, I see the situation up north as being the situation where you jam fresh faced rookies straight into the NHL line-up without having them take any intermediary steps. I would view this as the opposite... we'd be giving our presumptive new core soak time in the minors which will allow them to learn valuable lessons (life as well as professional) and make them better prepared to be the future Calgary Flames.

They'll still get their shots... they'd just get them post-injury and post-trade rather then right out of the gate. AHL primo icetime time + post-trade/injury NHL work sounds like a better transition plan then just shoving them straight into the show

[polak]

Gaudreau showed again last night that he is our best player.

You don't send your best player down to make room for vet scrubs.