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[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I still think the bizarro pile-on for no real reason was odd and can't shake that it didn't happen with squiggs. I still think that means Mafia panicked a bit when squiggs was on the radar and then jumped too quickly on the bizarro bandwagon to try and avoid a mafia lynch the first day.
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This sentence of yours caught my eye so I went back and had a look at this.

On the 27th at 5pm, GGG throws out a vote for Squiggs on the reasoning that they haven't revealed yet and have been inactive.

After 5 hours, three other people have voted for Squiggs, so the voters are:

GGG
Delgar
Timbo
Oling

Squiggs then shows up and the voting stalls.

The next morning, Starseed throws out Bizaro due to inactive posting. In the same amount of time (5 hours), 8 people jump on the Bizaro train. The voters are:

Starseed
Mrkajz44
GP_Matt
Oling
Baxter
Formulate
Devo
Wood
Girlysports

The only person who voted for both was Oling.

So I guess my question to the 7 others....why Bizaro and not Squiggs?

I previously voted for Baxter, because I thought their inactivity timed with the convenient jump in on the Baxter vote got my spidey senses tingling, and I think I am going to stick with that.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

So I guess my question to the 7 others....why Bizaro and not Squiggs?

well in my case the answer is simple. The squiggs thing happened in the middle of the night in Austria (when GGG started the vote for him, it was 1 am over here - when squiggs responded and revealed his role, it was 7 am in the morning). I'm not often online during those hours (unless I'm watching a Flames game), especially given it was a Saturday.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by formulate

It's not only that your posting style has changed, it's also that your current style matches historical mafia in some ways, and seems like an easy way to keep your post count up without sticking your neck out.

Worst case of lynching you would be losing a townie who doesn't have time/isn't fully contributing at his best. My apologies if it truly is a result of your personal life.

Throwing wild accusations on day 1 isn't necessarily contributing. That's the only difference in what I have changed as far as the substance of my posts.

I find it odd that the one thing that truly went terrible last game for the town and I am trying to avoid it, and you are saying it is an indication of being mafia.

[Baxter Renegade]

My inactivity was due to me working in Edmonton. I couldn't check or post often, and when I could, I only had my phone available which makes it difficult to thoroughly read through all the posts... I jumped onto Bizaro due to the fact the town had started to make a decision on the lynch. I knew I couldn't participate much during the weekend and Monday during the day, so I wanted to be visible and be contributing somewhat.

I'm readily available this week and have posted a few thoughts with much more to come. I will be thoroughly reading the entire thread and posting how I feel about individuals later today.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This sentence of yours caught my eye so I went back and had a look at this.

On the 27th at 5pm, GGG throws out a vote for Squiggs on the reasoning that they haven't revealed yet and have been inactive.

After 5 hours, three other people have voted for Squiggs, so the voters are:

GGG
Delgar
Timbo
Oling

Squiggs then shows up and the voting stalls.

The next morning, Starseed throws out Bizaro due to inactive posting. In the same amount of time (5 hours), 8 people jump on the Bizaro train. The voters are:

Starseed
Mrkajz44
GP_Matt
Oling
Baxter
Formulate
Devo
Wood
Girlysports

The only person who voted for both was Oling.

So I guess my question to the 7 others....why Bizaro and not Squiggs?

I previously voted for Baxter, because I thought their inactivity timed with the convenient jump in on the Baxter vote got my spidey senses tingling, and I think I am going to stick with that.

For me, I didn't vote squiggs at first as there were four votes for them already, so I wanted to avoid a run away too early (and mentioned that too).

My vote for bizarro was the second vote - I wanted to put a little note pressure on them to get a response.

I would be interested in hearing from the others on the bizarro vote. It could be people were just a bit gun shy early on, but I still think something weird went on with that vote.

[bold]Vote: RatherDashing [/bold]
I think the dude must be in a meditative coma, because only 4 posts and nothing in 2 days?
Plus: when we were revealing, he offered up posting who he wanted to be. I know roles don't matter, but the fact that he tried to flip the reveal to something different says to me he is trying to hide something.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Rathji

1) He kicks off the name reveal, which can only serve one purpose, to identify abilities. Sure they are somewhat random, but does it gives the mafia a little to go on as far as picking targets. He even tries to reassure us that the characters and abilities have nothing to do with alignment, but doesn't point out that the flavour of the ability has everything to do with the character. The mafia has the ability to compare abilities with each other and have likely figured this out for sure.

I'm not sure about GGG, he seems pretty aggressive. (Although my recollection is that posters with that style from previous games have usually ended up being town). However, the reveal doesn't hurt anything, and makes the game more interesting by adding flavour.

Basically, I think the reveals were a good idea for the same reason I didn't want to vote out crazy bacon legs last game: it makes the game more interesting.

Plus, Mazrim had this to say:

Originally Posted by Mazrim

You can shoehorn any role onto any character if you really want. You never want to painfully obvious when designing roles with characters, because what's the fun of having a character if you are hiding it the whole time?

I don't think the ability itself has anything to do with the character, just the name/description/flavour of the ability.

Originally Posted by Puxlut

RatherDashing
I think the dude must be in a meditative coma, because only 4 posts and nothing in 2 days?
Plus: when we were revealing, he offered up posting who he wanted to be. I know roles don't matter, but the fact that he tried to flip the reveal to something different says to me he is trying to hide something.

D'OH! Guess I need some coffee...

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Vote: RatherDashing
I think the dude must be in a meditative coma, because only 4 posts and nothing in 2 days?
Plus: when we were revealing, he offered up posting who he wanted to be. I know roles don't matter, but the fact that he tried to flip the reveal to something different says to me he is trying to hide something.

Gosh darn it!!!!!! Maybe it's a sign I'm dumb, scum or I should vote for someone else.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Throwing wild accusations on day 1 isn't necessarily contributing. That's the only difference in what I have changed as far as the substance of my posts.

I find it odd that the one thing that truly went terrible last game for the town and I am trying to avoid it, and you are saying it is an indication of being mafia.

I don't think we've seen many 'wild' accusations. I think we've seen some votes based on thought-out theories with the minimal information we have available. I made a post early on about finding the balance between random lynching with no discussion, and complete chaos (or call it 'wild accusations').

We haven't come close to the 700+ post day 1 clusterfata from the last game. I was simply pointing out that you starting out posting very close to the left edge of my scale, if you will. Seeing that mafia members from last game had a similar style, and it would be an easy way to blend in, I cast a vote.

[GirlySports]

East Coast Flame: I didn't agree with voting for someone due to non-reveal of character. Inactivity was more important and I also thought differently than mrkajz44 where I thought a runaway and hammer wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world (as I mentioned in previous posts).

Wood's action still seems the strangest to me. Why make the 8th vote and then after my vote tell people to stop? If he was afraid of a runaway, why cast that vote at all?

[formulate]

In regards to the squiggs/bizaro vote:

The squiggs vote was on a Saturday, only a day into the game. I was giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. I waited until Sunday afternoon to vote Bizaro. I was planning on waiting until Monday, but figured I would be really busy during the day so just got it out of the way. If squiggs hadn't started posting by Sunday/Monday, that likely would have been my vote as well.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by formulate

I don't think we've seen many 'wild' accusations. I think we've seen some votes based on thought-out theories with the minimal information we have available. I made a post early on about finding the balance between random lynching with no discussion, and complete chaos (or call it 'wild accusations').

We haven't come close to the 700+ post day 1 clusterfata from the last game. I was simply pointing out that you starting out posting very close to the left edge of my scale, if you will. Seeing that mafia members from last game had a similar style, and it would be an easy way to blend in, I cast a vote.

Correct, and I don't want it to go that way.

Last game, which was my first, I was convinced of something that wasnt there, and it hurt the town. I don't want to do that again.

I am really not against you voting for me (other than I know I am town) because at this point there is next to nothing to go on for all players, so the fact that me changing my play from last game is evident, it does have some logic to it.

Might be best to hold off a couple days, and see if you still feel the same way though. If I am not helping the town, due to time commitment issues or the changes in my play still are a concern for you, then go for it.

(note: If I was mafia, and you noticed a small thing in my playstyle that lead you to believe that was the case, there might be a valid strategy to keep it to yourself and hope I give you more clues. This is where my notes from last game really helped, is I was able to go back and piece together things that made me go 'hmmmm?' once more evidence was in play. Now that you have indicated that you have an issue with me, all I need to do is change my play
to what you expect and you will likely drop it, right?

That's partially why I didn't feel the need to start pointing out stuff right away. There was a bunch of action I could try and read, without giving people an indication that someone thought something was off)

[GP_Matt]

Sorry I didn't quote anything but as I catch up with the thread I wanted to make two points.
RatherDashing is out of town for a few days and won't have the best cell service. I expect him to post more in the evening when he has WiFi but don't know that for a fact.
Wood asking for calm is reasonable to me. Twelve votes is a lynch so slowing down at ten is ideal as there is pressure and time for the accused to respond or provide some parting advice before his death.

[Drury18]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

RatherDashing is out of town for a few days and won't have the best cell service. I expect him to post more in the evening when he has WiFi but don't know that for a fact.

How do you know about his cell service? Or that he might have better Wi-Fi in the evening?

Here are his two posts both about the leave and afterwards. Nothing that specific was mentioned.

Originally Posted by RatherDashing

Just to let everybody know, I will be attending a yoga retreat in the desert this week and may not be able to post as often as I would like. Please don't take this as hostility, I will be trying to achieve tranquility! I'm going to hold off on voting for anybody yet as I don't have a random enough reason to vote for anybody, and I don't want to vote out squiggs before he gets a chance to post a bit.

Namaste.

[Wood]

I voted bizaro because I didn't think there was any better option. He was inactive, that's all I was going off of. That combined with me thinking the vote ended Monday night I thought he was going to be out. I said we shouldn't vote anymore because I was hoping he'd come post. It would be a huge waste to just kill him off without getting a word in. I unvoted him once he posted. I get why someone would see me piling on as suspicious, it wasn't intended that way. Everything is suspicious this early

[stazzy33]

Alright guys, unfortunately today I just got transferred to our materials lab, which means I will be at a computer/on my phone, in a very very limited capacity. I will try to post as much as I can but please bear with me during this time.

As for a vote, I have found that people who become acusatory/defensive when they have a very limited reason to be somewhat suspicious. I have noticed squiggs has been pointing fingers at more than a few people in the first day and that's got my suspicions pointed in his direction. For this reason I am going to place my vote on him for now but that could change based on more evidence once I get to read what has been happening today. Sorry again for my limited viewing ability, rest assured when I am home for the night I will be contributing more than I have been!

[bold] vote: squiggs96 [\bold]

[Wood]

[QUOTE=Drury18;4929230]

How do you know about his cell service? Or that he might have better Wi-Fi in the evening?

Here are his two posts both about the leave and afterwards. Nothing that specific was mentioned.

I was going to say the same thing. He never said anything about his access to a phone or computer. All he mentioned was that he "wont be able to post as often as he'd like"

He said he was gone for the week, never mentioned anything about this evening specifically. Why would he have better wifi tonight vs last night? Or any night he's been gone?

[starseed]

Relax guys. He probably mentioned it in the mafia thread.

:P

I might switch to squiggs. I will review after work, but I think a squiggs flip could net some good info, like a GGG flip might.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Sorry I didn't quote anything but as I catch up with the thread I wanted to make two points.
RatherDashing is out of town for a few days and won't have the best cell service. I expect him to post more in the evening when he has WiFi but don't know that for a fact.
Wood asking for calm is reasonable to me. Twelve votes is a lynch so slowing down at ten is ideal as there is pressure and time for the accused to respond or provide some parting advice before his death.

Well that's suspicious. The obvious explanation is that he told you this on the mafia private forum. A better explanation would be good...