Devin Setoguchi

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

The only player on the roster who has ever had a 30 goal or 60 pt season.....

Only because nobody else on it has played with Joe Thornton.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

The only player on the roster who has ever had a 30 goal or 60 pt season.....

To be fair, I could have scored 30 goals on a line with Thornton when he was in his prime.

[t0rrent98]

I've a coworker who is a cousin of Devin Setoguchi. His uncle talks to my coworker all the time and he tells Devin to smarten the **** up otherwise his NHL career is over which it basically almost is.

Devin's father was a great hockey player back in the day and was on the verge of getting drafted by an NHL team until the scouts saw his stubborn attitude towards his coach's. Devin now seems to be heading in the same direction as his father and may no longer be in the NHL after this season if he keeps it up.

Hoping the article about him changing is true otherwise he is done.

[FlamesAddiction]

Last season was really the only year that he wasn't on pace for at least 20 goals over an 82 game season. At 27, it is not too late for him to turn it around and have a few more productive seasons.

Training camp is a poor indicator of predicting regular season production. I recall in the past, players like Fata, Saprykin and Kobasew used to tear it up during the preseason just to idle in the regular season, while players like Iginla used to mail preseason in.

[smiggy77]

yeah I'd say give the kid a chance. He isn't the most skilled player but if he plays with a solid playmaker who he can find chemistry with it, he can be lethal finding the back of the net. Pre-season is really the time where the kids fight for a spot while the vets get back into game shape.

[Enoch Root]

Setoguchi is a 27 year old RW - a position that the Flames are currently sitting with Jones, McGrattan and a couple converted LWs.

Is signed for close to the league minimum.

Has played at a 20 goal pace in 6 of his 7 seasons and, after a terrible season last year, knows he has to resurrect his career this year or it's likely over.

The Flames are going to finish out of the playoffs with or without him.

If he does start playing well, he will be an asset at the deadline. At - or close to - a 20 goal pace, he would probably garner a late 2nd (another Hunter Smith) or maybe a late 3rd.

If he doesn't start playing well, he'll end up in the pressbox and/or eventually waived.

Either way (good or bad), he'll probably be out of the lineup at some point during the season, and a spot will open up for whichever prospect has earned it by then (after getting to continue to develop in the A for the first part of the year)

Fan conclusion: freak out, demand that he should already be cut, and start complaining about management, 10 days and 2 games into a three week training camp.

Unfreakingreal

[steveo]

Originally Posted by codynw

To be fair, I could have scored 30 goals on a line with Thornton when he was in his prime.

No, I really doubt that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Setoguchi is a 27 year old RW - a position that the Flames are currently sitting with Jones, McGrattan and a couple converted LWs.

Is signed for close to the league minimum.

Has played at a 20 goal pace in 6 of his 7 seasons and, after a terrible season last year, knows he has to resurrect his career this year or it's likely over.

The Flames are going to finish out of the playoffs with or without him.

If he does start playing well, he will be an asset at the deadline. At - or close to - a 20 goal pace, he would probably garner a late 2nd (another Hunter Smith) or maybe a late 3rd.

If he doesn't start playing well, he'll end up in the pressbox and/or eventually waived.

Either way (good or bad), he'll probably be out of the lineup at some point during the season, and a spot will open up for whichever prospect has earned it by then (after getting to continue to develop in the A for the first part of the year)

Fan conclusion: freak out, demand that he should already be cut, and start complaining about management, 10 days and 2 games into a three week training camp.

Unfreakingreal

Not to mention the fact that amongst all of this, Treliving has made it very clear that he wants the majority of the prospects playing bigger minutes in Junior or the AHL in order to develop, so someone has to be playing the NHL minutes so we're not throwing kids to the wolves.

Setoguchi is a bandaid, hes not part of the long-term solution.

[Finger Cookin]

People love ripping off Band-Aids quickly.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

People love ripping off Band-Aids quickly.

Thats tough. If people are looking for a team thats going to winning sometime soon then they really shouldnt be looking at the Calgary Flames.

[Finger Cookin]

I'm not disagreeing with you in that regard, I just wanted to make a dumb Band-Aid joke.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Setoguchi is a 27 year old RW - a position that the Flames are currently sitting with Jones, McGrattan and a couple converted LWs.

Is signed for close to the league minimum.

Has played at a 20 goal pace in 6 of his 7 seasons and, after a terrible season last year, knows he has to resurrect his career this year or it's likely over.

The Flames are going to finish out of the playoffs with or without him.

If he does start playing well, he will be an asset at the deadline. At - or close to - a 20 goal pace, he would probably garner a late 2nd (another Hunter Smith) or maybe a late 3rd.

If he doesn't start playing well, he'll end up in the pressbox and/or eventually waived.

Either way (good or bad), he'll probably be out of the lineup at some point during the season, and a spot will open up for whichever prospect has earned it by then (after getting to continue to develop in the A for the first part of the year)

Fan conclusion: freak out, demand that he should already be cut, and start complaining about management, 10 days and 2 games into a three week training camp.

Unfreakingreal

This post is worthy of closing this thread.

[kehatch]

Setoguchi is supposedly motivated and ready to work his butt off to rejuvenate his career. We haven't seen that on the ice. What we have seen is last years Setoguchi throwing blind passes all over the ice generating turnover after turnover.

Unlike many of the vets Setoguchi should be doing his best to make a great impression in preseason. So far he hasn't made the team IMO.

It is also remarkable how many people are making excuses for him. He used to be a good scorer. It is just the preseason. He is just a temporary fill in to shelter the kids. All of that is true, but it doesn't excuse having last seasons Setoguchi on the ice. And so far in the preseason he looks like last seasons Setoguchi.

[saillias]

Signed for the press box. He hardly needs this much discussion, his role is pretty simple. Bring something more than TJ Galiardi did, or sit over there.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Setoguchi is a 27 year old RW - a position that the Flames are currently sitting with Jones, McGrattan and a couple converted LWs.

The converted LW was Hudler who while playing RW not only was the best Flames forward last year ( by a far margin) but also had a career year.


Why would anyone want Hudler to go back onto the LW where the Flames have by far the most depth: Glencross, Colborne, Bouma, Raymond, Gaudreau, Bollig and Baertschi??

to make some room on RW for Setoguchi?

[OzSome]

I, for one is not that dissapointed in Setoguchi so far. It is a training camp and I thought he is okay, not good and not bad. As for Flames sending him to the AHL if he plays like crap, i don't think that would be tough because he is only making $750k and not the big money like David Jones' money. I would rather have Seto stays in Calgary than Jones. Unfortunately it would hard to move him with his huge contract and his play.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The converted LW was Hudler who while playing RW not only was the best Flames forward last year ( by a far margin) but also had a career year.


Why would anyone want Hudler to go back onto the LW where the Flames have by far the most depth: Glencross, Colborne, Bouma, Raymond, Gaudreau, Bollig and Baertschi??

to make some room on RW for Setoguchi?

So, Enoch Root kicks the living crap out of your argument, and your response is to cherry pick a single sentence and build a strawman out of it?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So, Enoch Root kicks the living crap out of your argument, and your response is to cherry pick a single sentence and build a strawman out of it?

By Strawman you are saying that I took the statement that Setoguchi fills a spot on RW where the Flames have no depth and say that the Flames actually do have some depth on RW?

The basic premise is that he is adequately filling a hole in the Flames line- up that exists only if Hudler and Raymond don't play RW.



While he is not going to be stopping Gaudreau or Bennett he will be taking away NHL time and possibly their only Flame audition from from Reinhart, Agostino, Hanowski, Ferland, Knight, Wolf and Van Brabant....

If the Flames are going to lose anyway I would rather find out how these guys look at the NHL level.

I could easily see one or two of these guys on the next Flames playoff roster.

Do you think that Setoguchi will be a Flame when they next make the playoffs?


I especially like the part where we trade him for Hunter Smith.... why not a late 1st round pick if Setoguchi is on pace for 30 goals?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

By Strawman you are saying that I took the statement that Setoguchi fills a spot on RW where the Flames have no depth and say that the Flames actually do have some depth on RW?

No, you took an accurate statement that the Flames depth at RW consists of McGrattan, Jones and a couple converted left wingers and invented a storyline where Enoch Root was suggesting that Hudler be moved back to the left wing to make room for Setoguchi.

Your revised statement is more fair, but it is also significant back peddling.

The basic premise is that he is adequately filling a hole in the Flames line- up that exists only if Hudler and Raymond don't play RW.

While he is not going to be stopping Gaudreau or Bennett he will be taking away NHL time and possibly their only Flame audition from from Reinhart, Agostino, Hanowski, Ferland, Knight, Wolf and Van Brabant....

If the Flames are going to lose anyway I would rather find out how these guys look at the NHL level.

Most of those guys still need a lot of seasoning in the AHL. Any that are ready are capable of taking the job away. And, as Enoch noted, it is very likely that Setoguchi ultimately loses his job to one of them regardless.

I could easily see one or two of these guys on the next Flames playoff roster.

Do you think that Setoguchi will be a Flame when they next make the playoffs?

Irrelevant to the question of whether he is the best option right now.

I especially like the part where we trade him for Hunter Smith.... why not a late 1st round pick if Setoguchi is on pace for 30 goals?

Again, you are countering arguments that really only exist in your mind. He said that *if* Setoguchi plays well, we could trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, which is likely true. You might do well to spend some time learning about conditional statements.

[Tinordi]

Setoguchi is here because we have zero right wing depth, young players need positions to be earned not given, and more likely than not, young players benefit from more not less seasoning the minors. Are we going to have this conversation all frickin season?