CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[GirlySports]

Same here. Since I mentioned inactivity earlier, I'll stand by it.

Vote: Bizaro86

[Wood]

That's 9 votes, I'd like to hold off on anymore until bizarro has a chance to post

I'm back! But now I need a day to fight jet lag... I would like to show some mercy on Bizaro and let him defend himself. So forgive me while I regulate my inner clock. If I don't post today, I will be on board fully tomorrow.
And then Game On!

[East Coast Flame]

Makes sense to me. Even if they are town, inactive posters don't help much.

I'll wait but if we don't hear anything by tomorrow I'll vote bizzaro.

[Rathji]

I am not going to vote until later in the day on Monday, but right now I am leaning towards bizaro86, simply based on the fact that there isn't any reason not to.

[GGG]

So I think that voting for the least active is a bad strategy now that we have votes on the board. We know the mafia will ensure their people are reasonably active and we know mafia don't want to look like pile ons but want to be part of the majority.

I suspect we have a better than chance probability of choosing one of the 3 4 or 5 votes on bizarro. Bizarros inactivity to me suggests he is town.

So I am going to vote for the 4th vote on bizarro rather than an inactive

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[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

So I think that voting for the least active is a bad strategy now that we have votes on the board. We know the mafia will ensure their people are reasonably active and we know mafia don't want to look like pile ons but want to be part of the majority.

I suspect we have a better than chance probability of choosing one of the 3 4 or 5 votes on bizarro. Bizarros inactivity to me suggests he is town.

So I am going to vote for the 4th vote on bizarro rather than an inactive

Inactive town players are harmful to the town. Even the rules state this.

I don't completely disagree with your assessment. Mafia likely will be trying to cause the least waves and fly under the radar. However, I've been saying to go for an inactive player from the start to encourage players to post, including posting lists of players who aren't following the 1 post a day rule. It should come to no surprise I voted for the least active player. So I don't agree with your assessment that I "piled on" regardless of when I made my vote.

I'm also not following the logic to protect a player who has a single post three days after the game started. If multiple votes aren't getting him to post, how would his mafia friends encouraging him to post if we lucked out and he was inactive and evil? If he was mafia, I could see his mafia friends jumping to try and save him with the hope/knowledge he will be replaced for inactivity at this point. So if by chance he ends up mafia, I think you should be the prime suspect.

[GGG]

If Bizaro86 ends up mafia by all means move me up the suspect list. I'm not accusing you of piling on. I am accusing you of avoiding looking like a pile on and avoiding looking like you are picking the townie to be lynched. You are trying to find the sweet spot where you neither drive the bus or get on late.

Also suspicious you were the 3rd vote on the Squiggs bandwagon. So twice you have joined voting at the sweet spot of avoiding being noticed.

You are also advocating a strategy of vote out the inactive poster on day one when you know that the mafia will have planned for everyone to be active. So yes inactives are harmful to the town but on day one, on the weekend, you can't really call someone inactive.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GGG

If Bizaro86 ends up mafia by all means move me up the suspect list. I'm not accusing you of piling on. I am accusing you of avoiding looking like a pile on and avoiding looking like you are picking the townie to be lynched. You are trying to find the sweet spot where you neither drive the bus or get on late.

Also suspicious you were the 3rd vote on the Squiggs bandwagon. So twice you have joined voting at the sweet spot of avoiding being noticed.

You are also advocating a strategy of vote out the inactive poster on day one when you know that the mafia will have planned for everyone to be active. So yes inactives are harmful to the town but on day one, on the weekend, you can't really call someone inactive.

Last sentence should have read you can't really call someone harmful.

[Drury18]

vote: GGG

I have no idea why a newbie and on the first day would stick their neck out like this but this struck me as odd last night and your actions today are reinforcing something. So here goes:

Dissentower mentions about revealing roles, you start it up. Looks innocent and a vet being helpful at first since we are a very newbie heavy game.

I asked where Squiggs98 is, being an inactive and trying to ensure I didn't miss something as I'm still trying to figure all of this out, you immediately vote first for him to "weed him out". No hesitation at all to jump on the inactive board player first. You followed that up with wanting to get everyone to stop voting for a lynch with a vote or two left so the dying person can give some information. And then stating you would vote for whoever didn't follow that rule and advocating for others to do so. While I don't necessarily disagree with trying to get information, I realized that in most cases, info helps the scum weed out what the town know so they know who to make blend in more and whose going to be a sacrifice. The only player who is going to reveal things of utter importance to the town is going to be the "cop" like player or someone with some special powers and then the mafia can confirm they've got a good kill. I don't see many situations where a townsperson with information is just going to sit there and wait until they are almost lynched before mentioning something. They are going to try to wave it around in other ways, not a deathbed confession so they can help the town since we are flying blind here. And this action goes along with a previous action of wanting people to reveal their cards early on. No scum is going to just walk out and slip up and say something, so this seems like a very anti-town action to gauge where we are at.

Once Squiggs was revealed, you wanted someone else to start the voting and give reasons. You, however, didn't feel the need to change your vote at that time.

Up to this point, you've just jumped on other's suggestions. Awesome way for a scum to sort of blend in while trying to turn things they way they'd like it, but have two or three people to point a finger at if it comes flying back as a bad idea. The only time you did something away from the group was to get the spotlight off Bizaro, which stands out as pretty bold.

Now that the group has made a choice and has changed direction and voting for a different but still inactive player, and a number of votes have been cast against them, you suddenly have a change of heart and change a vote and pin it on someone whose random. And this is something a number of players spoke about and decided was a bad plan as it would give the scum a better opportunity to pile on votes and confuse the town. Not even that, but your "random" (which you said would be 3, 4 or 5th person to pile on Bizaro) just happened to be the highest poster of the group. GP_Matt was 3 and has 6 posts, Oiling_Roachman was 4 and has 9 posts (almost the top poster in the thread), Baxter Renegade was 5th and has 3 posts and was gone most of the weekend and could have been another MIA to vote out. Bizaro might be town, but he's dead weight to us right now. Oiling_Roachman has some use to us as he appears to be an active scum hunter.

Voting for the least active makes sense at this point. Voting for a "random", especially one that has been relatively active and helpful for the town, makes no sense. You might also be active, but you've also started trying to complicate things.

So that leaves me with one question as to why when the group is doing one thing, you go off and do something against the group and against the general thought process. And it comes back to me as one thing: You know bizaro is scum like you and so you need to take the spotlight off. I mean the rest of us Lightness side have no clue who each other are, so voting out bizaro is what makes sense even if we do end up taking out a Lightness member. The numbers don't bode well for us especially with no info to go on, but I don't see any other Lightness members having any second thoughts about this.

What's the matter GGG? Did we put a target on a fellow scums back?

[bizaro86]

Hi all,

Sorry, dealing with a water leak in a condo, has been a bit of a rough weekend. I suggest not voting me, as I am part of the forces of light this time around.

[GGG]

If Bizaro is scum, the mafia in this game have played terribly. At least one of them should have came in here and voted for Baxter Renegade as the other inactive or started a vote based on a random number generator. Why would a mafia member wait until the band wagon is almost done to try to stop it. It doesn't make sense. The good news is if Bizaro is mafia we are in for a short game and a town victory.

The mafias behaviour so far in the Bizaro vote has been to go along with the crowd and blend in and let consensus lynch a townie. So why I am going against the group? I don't believe that I should ever vote for a person I believe is town.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by GGG

The mafias behaviour so far in the Bizaro vote has been to go along with the crowd and blend in and let consensus lynch a townie. So why I am going against the group? I don't believe that I should ever vote for a person I believe is town.

How are you so sure the mafia's behaviour?

You've chosen to target a "random" whose also an active poster. This is against what the majority of the group talked about. Random picks allow the scum to easily hide and active posters can be useful early on. People who don't post are dead weight. You could have also put Baxter Renegade, hmmhmmcamo or stazzy33 who are also near the bottom of inactivity if you strongly believe Bizaro is town and needs to be saved.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

How are you so sure the mafia's behaviour?

You've chosen to target a "random" whose also an active poster. This is against what the majority of the group talked about. Random picks allow the scum to easily hide and active posters can be useful early on. People who don't post are dead weight. You could have also put Baxter Renegade, hmmhmmcamo or stazzy33 who are also near the bottom of inactivity if you strongly believe Bizaro is town and needs to be saved.

My pick of Oling is not random. It is based on limited evidence though. The logic is the mafia don't want to drive the bus or pile on the bus. Twice Oling has posted in the sweet spot of going unnoticed.

I am not a fan of voting out inactives for the following reasons
- If they are inactive they get replaced by other players who become active.
- the mafia knows that the town looks for inactivity as a criteria for day 1 so therefore will at least post a minimum amount.

I don't have any reads on stash, Baxter or mmmmmmmmmmmcamo so I don't see why I would vote for them yet.

Now that Bizaro has come in with an explanation for his inactivity should the whole town move to the next guy?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

I'm not accusing you of piling on. I am accusing you of avoiding looking like a pile on and avoiding looking like you are picking the townie to be lynched.

Except that I disagree with your assessment there. I have been one of the more vocal players. I've been advocating going after inactive players for reasons I have mentioned multiple times (multiple games even). If you're actually going for people who meet your criteria there are many other alternatives.

Originally Posted by GGG

Also suspicious you were the 3rd vote on the Squiggs bandwagon. So twice you have joined voting at the sweet spot of avoiding being noticed.

Well let's talk about the Squiggs thing because I still think it's odd. You're reasoning to vote him was he hasn't revealed who he is. I think it's odd as well. 17 posters had revealed who they were when he made his post. He acknowledges that everyone was revealing who they are...and didn't do so himself. Why didn't he reveal himself? It's an answer we haven't heard despite moving on from him. I'm still curious why he didn't just say he was pickachu in his first post.

Originally Posted by GGG

You are also advocating a strategy of vote out the inactive poster on day one when you know that the mafia will have planned for everyone to be active..

Everyone should have planned to be active, town or mafia. I am advocating going for inactive players because losing an inactive town is better than losing an active town. This is some thing I have been consistent with. Mafia would also be okay with keeping inactive players around because they don't have to worry about them. So yes, I still think we should stick with that strategy but I'm more hopeful that we wont have inactive players and wont have to worry about it.

Originally Posted by GGG

I am not a fan of voting out inactives for the following reasons
- If they are inactive they get replaced by other players who become active.
- the mafia knows that the town looks for inactivity as a criteria for day 1 so therefore will at least post a minimum amount.

Your argument becomes flawed based on Bizaro86's post. He was away and unable to post, it wouldn't matter if he was mafia or town he wasn't going to be able to post until now so the argument that mafia would be active doesn't work in a case like Bizaro's.

[Rathji]

Given the manner we started this game, as in not really scheduled, I won't fault anyone for being inactive over the weekend, but I won't give then a free pass either.

Just a note, as someone who pushed out a half baked theory on day 1 last game that ended up forcing an important player role to reveal themselves, I would like to remind everyone that even the first day isn't a good time to let things run away as far as being sure of things.

[GGG]

I agree that Bizaro having a reason for being inactive puts him back to neutral in terms of probable alignment.

However the general strategy of voting out inactives on day 1 is still flawed. You will never get an intentionally inactive day 1 mafia player when the first half of the day was spent talking about how we should vote out inactives. Also calling people inactive on day 1 is kind of ridiculous as well. Generally my opinion is that campaigning for inactives on day one is an excellent way for the darkness to hide within the forces of light. The newbies see it as sound reasoning and you get to go multiple days without taking a real position.

My vote for Squiggs was to have a quasi-random way to decide who to start voting for as I am an advocate for votes on the board. It was just he revealed last not that he posted without revealing that I voted for him. Revealing or not revealing doesn't really matter in terms of alignment so I'm don't think him not saying he was Pikachu means anything.

[starseed]

It is odd that after I voted bizaro, 8 more people piled on within a few hours (after not much activity). Either the darkness did not have time to react, or they happily joined in.

Either way, my goal was to force people to be more active, and bizaro seems to have a legitimate excuse.

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What is stazzy33, and hmmhmmcamo's excuse?

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Given the manner we started this game, as in not really scheduled, I won't fault anyone for being inactive over the weekend, but I won't give then a free pass either.

Yes, starting late in the week was not ideal in the slightest, and I apologize for that. Weekends have always been slow on CP compared to the week, and mafia games will be no different.

Votecount coming shortly, just catching up on everything.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by starseed

It is odd that after I voted bizaro, 8 more people piled on within a few hours (after not much activity). Either the darkness did not have time to react, or they happily joined in.

Either way, my goal was to force people to be more active, and bizaro seems to have a legitimate excuse.

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What is stazzy33, and hmmhmmcamo's excuse?

I've been following along. I guess I've been hesitant to post much because last game I got a little too involved early on and it contributed to the early role reveal and me being voted out on day 1.