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Old 08-11-2014, 08:57 PM   #121
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I agree on it being an accident, but as quoted above, a fellow driver says:



Now, it was a bit silly for him to say "I know Tony could see him" because he doesn't know, but the statement implies that visibility is potentially good enough in that situation for Tony to have possibly seen him... better than zero anyway.
ugh he also said that Tony Stewart needs to be put in prison for life.

This from a 16 year old kid right after it happened looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Not buying much of this. He may soon find himself in a slander lawsuit.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:14 PM   #122
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Nah I bet he'll be alright. But I kinda believe him when he says you can see a little bit out the car.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:43 PM   #123
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What really killed this kid was his decision to go out on a race track. You would think after one car nearly took you out you'd get the message.what the hell was he trying to prove? From this angle he looks like he was almost directly in front of him. I don't think 20 year olds should be racing in the first place. Last year same track a 19 year old girl was paralyzed. Should be a higher age requirements.

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Old 08-11-2014, 10:03 PM   #124
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I don't think 20 year olds should be racing in the first place. Last year same track a 19 year old girl was paralyzed. Should be a higher age requirements.
How about higher IQ requirements? I think messageboards should as well.
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:49 PM   #125
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ugh he also said that Tony Stewart needs to be put in prison for life.

This from a 16 year old kid right after it happened looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Not buying much of this. He may soon find himself in a slander lawsuit.
I seriously doubt the kid was thinking of himself and his 15 minutes of fame immediately after witnessing a death.
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Old 08-12-2014, 07:49 AM   #126
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When I look at the video I don't see how Stewart hit him intentionally, or even saw him before the last second to begin with.

Traveling at 70+ MPH, heading into a corner, with poor lighting on the track, and two cars immediately in front of him with the other guy wearing all black.

The biggest thing for me was that it occurred in the corner, on a straight away this isn't an issue but taking a corner behind other cars with low visibility at high speeds and I would be shocked if Stewart saw him before it was too late.

Unfortunate, and tragic accident, but not sure why we have to place blame on Stewart or Ward. The guy made a momentary lapse of judgement due to rage and put himself and Stewart in a bad spot.
Maybe, but here's another possible take on the situation:

By virtue of bumping Ward's car in the first place, Stewart knew of the car's presence on the track. Which is to say, Stewart undoubtedly had a general idea of where Ward's car was.

Knowing that, wouldn't a prudent driver slow down when returning to the accident scene and move to the inside corner of the race track? I mean, what's the point of going 70+ mph and whizzing by an accident scene?

It sure seems to me that people are forgetting the fact that Stewart is a professional driver and, as such, should have the knowledge and ability to control his car around accident areas. Likewise, as a professional driver, Stewart should know how to conduct himself and the dangers involved in driving at a high speed around an accident area that is located in a dark corner.

But, regardless of how a district attorney may view the situation, Stewart has much more to worry about than a possible criminal indictment: a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Ward's family could be much more punishing.
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:53 AM   #127
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Ward was halfway down the track when hit. If anybody has the right to sue it would be Stewart for emotional distress.
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:43 AM   #128
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you have to wonder how the sponsors are reacting

could we see a bunch of them pull away from sponsoring Stewart?

Could Stewart be the first racer with a blank uniform?
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:54 AM   #129
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Maybe, but here's another possible take on the situation:

By virtue of bumping Ward's car in the first place, Stewart knew of the car's presence on the track. Which is to say, Stewart undoubtedly had a general idea of where Ward's car was.
Sure. Except Ward was nowhere near where the car was.

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Knowing that, wouldn't a prudent driver slow down when returning to the accident scene and move to the inside corner of the race track? I mean, what's the point of going 70+ mph and whizzing by an accident scene?

It sure seems to me that people are forgetting the fact that Stewart is a professional driver and, as such, should have the knowledge and ability to control his car around accident areas. Likewise, as a professional driver, Stewart should know how to conduct himself and the dangers involved in driving at a high speed around an accident area that is located in a dark corner.
Stewart was going the same speed and following the same line as the drivers in front of him.

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But, regardless of how a district attorney may view the situation, Stewart has much more to worry about than a possible criminal indictment: a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Ward's family could be much more punishing.
Guaranteed there will be a wrongful death lawsuit. Hard to tell what a jury will think in that case, but Ward's own actions will be a significant mitigating factor in Stewart's defence.
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Stewart was going the same speed and following the same line as the drivers in front of him.
Do you think that Stewart speeds up just as he was coming up to Ward?
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:37 AM   #131
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Do you think that Stewart speeds up just as he was coming up to Ward?


The better question is:

Do you know Stewart speeds up just as he was coming up to Ward?


I am no Nascar/Racing fan, but we are making some pretty big jumps here from "The guy was a dickhead" to "The guy is a murderer".
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Old 08-12-2014, 11:39 AM   #132
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Do you think that Stewart speeds up just as he was coming up to Ward?
I think he hits the gas to try to turn the car down the track. watch the guy right in front of steward react. I think Stewart does the same thing. Hit the gas to drive the car down the track.

As for speed under caution, you go as fast as the car in front of you and stay in line. the pace car sets the speed and the route until the tracks clear. Everyone else just follows.
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Do you think that Stewart speeds up just as he was coming up to Ward?
That is a separate question, and not one that can really be answered without telemetry.
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Old 08-12-2014, 01:30 PM   #134
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Apparently there is a new video out. I haven't seen it yet, but there are bound to be more angles that will help the investigation.

In the end, I think it does come down to what Stewart was thinking at the time, and that will be impossible to prove.
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:08 PM   #135
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Maybe, but here's another possible take on the situation:


Knowing that, wouldn't a prudent driver slow down when returning to the accident scene and move to the inside corner of the race track? I mean, what's the point of going 70+ mph and whizzing by an accident scene?


Pretty sure that idling those cars in 1st gear is about 40-50mph. And since it is dirt track, I think adding throttle helps to turn quicker (or else he was trying to spray him with mud... guess we'll never know.)


We'll never know the true intent or anything. Can only wish the best for all family involved.
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:14 PM   #136
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I assume most people in this thread know something about racing but for those who haven't seen what sprint cars are like I thought this might be of interest. Starts off pretty quiet until the race actually starts then the craziness begins.

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http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/story/?id=459326

Kevin Ward's father spoke about the incident.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:25 PM   #138
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Not over yet.

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A grand jury will determine if the Nascar champion Tony Stewart will be charged in the death of Kevin Ward Jr., a 20-year-old driver who was killed when he was struck by Stewart’s racecar at Canandaigua Motorsports Park near Rochester in August.

The Ontario County district attorney, Michael Tantillo, announced Tuesday that he would present the case to a grand jury after reviewing the evidence collected by investigators from the Ontario County Sheriff’s Office. Tantillo, in a statement, revealed little about his plans except to say that he would present the evidence to a grand jury “in the near future.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/sp...w-nytimes&_r=0
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Nope to charges.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ton...html?hpt=hp_t2


NASCAR driver Tony Stewart won't face charges in connection with the on-track death of sprint car racer Kevin Ward Jr., a New York district attorney announced Wednesday.
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Old 09-24-2014, 01:49 PM   #140
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Nope to charges.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/us/ton...html?hpt=hp_t2


NASCAR driver Tony Stewart won't face charges in connection with the on-track death of sprint car racer Kevin Ward Jr., a New York district attorney announced Wednesday.
Well duh, he is a major racing celeb down south and there is no solid proof of any intent. I believe Stewart was trying to scare the kid, I do think he is probably guilty of invol manslaughter but he is not going to admit to it. Even if he did he would have got a slap on the wrist, maybe some community service at most.
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