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[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That picture is relevant regardless of the contents of that tweet

Yes it is. The Leg bone is connected to the Connor McDavid bone.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

I sure as hell hope this is a shop.

It seems not to be a shop. Confirmed on SN960 and also in this blog:

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...-in-the-middle

[icecube]

Just the Sun attempting to cater to the type of people who read their newspaper.

[saillias]

What's wrong with that statement?

He is the dark guy in the middle.

Simply using visually obvious points to point out something like "who scored a goal" shouldn't be controversial. Better than trying to bury your head in the sand trying to ignore racial differences.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by saillias

What's wrong with that statement?

It is an unnecessary identifier that calls attention to racial differences.

Originally Posted by saillias

He is the dark guy in the middle.

...or:

"the player in the centre of the photo, surrounded by white players."

Do you also have no problem with the above description?

Originally Posted by saillias

Simply using visually obvious points to point out something like "who scored a goal" shouldn't be controversial.

I agree, it shouldn't. Unfortunately IT IS CONTROVERSIAL. Like I said, the description was completely unnecessary. Subban can very simply be identified as "facing, in the centre of the photograph," and NO ONE would be confused. So, not only is his identification by skin colour totally unnecessary, the problem is greatly exacerbated because by identifying him according to his skin colour, the racial difference is emphasised. Because racial tension is real, this emphasis actually serves to enforce and confirm the notion for many that this difference is more than skin deep.

Originally Posted by saillias

Better than trying to bury your head in the sand trying to ignore racial differences.

It is absolutely NOT better. And taking the care to select a different method for identification does not in any way ignore racial differences. On the contrary, it shows a keen awareness of the current problems, and in a small way hopefully helps to eliminate the well worn notion that the differences between races are insurmountable barriers.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

It's not quite that simple.



http://www.msfocus.org/article-detai...x?articleID=46

The thing about diseases of the brain is that they affect the organ that is who you are. Be careful about condemning someone if they have had trauma/disease of the brain, especially if the actions you are condemning seem out of character.

Thanks for that. I was probably thinking along the same lines as docta, not maliciously or anything, just didn't really put 2 and 2 together.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Unfortunately IT IS CONTROVERSIAL.

Only because a bunch of white people on the internet/in the hockey world have decided what is and isn't offensive based on their own idea of how to be politically correct.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by saillias

Only because a bunch of white people on the internet/in the hockey world have decided what is and isn't offensive based on their own idea of how to be politically correct.

Do you honestly believe that?

Because it sounds to me like you are essentially saying that racial tension is a fabrication, and that any prejudice that visible racial minorities might perceive are actually imaginary.

Is that what you are saying?

[Poe969]

If Subban has been the victim of any form of racism or treated differently because of his race, being called "the dark guy" might hit a nerve or be considered racist. There is a more tactful way of going about things and it should have been done, not because of how one person might feel but because of how anyone reading it might feel as well.

[BigFlameDog]

It's stupid because "guy in the middle" works just as well....he is in the middle after all.

or guy with crap eating grin.....

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by saillias

Only because a bunch of white people on the internet/in the hockey world have decided what is and isn't offensive based on their own idea of how to be politically correct.

Are you simple? Do you know anything about racial insensitivity? Or do you think racism is just something that happens in the movies and in the south?

[puckedoff]

Maybe they were referencing his dark sense of humour

[Jimdon]

Lmao, stay classy Vancouver.

[FlamesAddiction]

What Friesen is that? Please don't tell me Jeff is trying to make a comeback.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is an unnecessary identifier that calls attention to racial differences.

No it's not. The intent was not to be racial at all. The guy is dark. Calling a dark person dark is not being racist.

You just like most of society have become way to sensitive/politically correct.

I can't believe we live in a world now where we can't call someone with dark skin....someone with dark skin.



And for the record.....I have dark skin.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by icecube

Just the Sun attempting to cater to the type of people who read their newspaper.

Just to be clear the Vancouver Sun is not owned by Sun Media. They are just No Good on their own.

In my personal opinion although it may be in bad taste, I don't think it was nefarious or anything.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by saillias

What's wrong with that statement?

He is the dark guy in the middle.

Simply using visually obvious points to point out something like "who scored a goal" shouldn't be controversial. Better than trying to bury your head in the sand trying to ignore racial differences.

It seems really out of place. Especially when there are other identifying factors that would have easily pointed out Subban.

If they were to point out "Henrik Sedin (Swede in the middle)" or "Henrik Sedin (guy with red beard in the middle)" would that really help someone looking at the picture? Both would be visually obvious points as he is both Swedish and has a red beard.

The usual standard in identifying players in photo's would be to mention a number. Subban wears 67 and even though part of his jersey is obscured, you could see clearly see he was the only person wearing anything with a 7 on it in the picture. To caption "Jordan Subban (67)", would have been sufficient in this case.

[MissTeeks]

Anyways:

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[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

No it's not. The intent was not to be racial at all. The guy is dark. Calling a dark person dark is not being racist.

You just like most of society have become way to sensitive/politically correct.

I can't believe we live in a world now where we can't call someone with dark skin....someone with dark skin.



And for the record.....I have dark skin.

You can, but it seems like a strange thing to focus on. I've never seen "guy with the hat", or any other identifier. It's just totally unnecessary. "center" is what would've been all that was necessary. There's only one guy in the middle. No one would've been mistaken about who they are referring to...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

No it's not. The intent was not to be racial at all. The guy is dark. Calling a dark person dark is not being racist.

You just like most of society have become way to sensitive/politically correct.

I can't believe we live in a world now where we can't call someone with dark skin....someone with dark skin.

..

Quite frankly, you have no idea what the intent behind the caption was; it may not have been motivated by any racial prejudice, but it absolutely WAS racial by virtue of the fact that the player was identified by his visibly racial features.

It is not your place to inform anyone about how sensitive or "politically correct" they ought or ought not be. Glossed over in this is the reality that there are MANY people who ARE sensitive to this issue—enough so that that in itself warrants a high level of attention to the language that we use and how we use it.