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[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by six pack

1) Am I the only one that thought Klimchuk was a bit of adisappointment? I was looking for a little more effort out of the kid.

4) I also could not help notice they kept him off the ice for the final 5 mins.

For me, watching live on TV for 2 and replay for 1, I thought Klimchuk was good, not great. But I couldn't decide whether that was because Gaudreau, Bennett, Ferland and Granlund were so good and consumed my attention or not. He might be on a slightly longer path (ala Granlund) than the guys that are the same draft class/younger that are simply more skilled.

I'm glad Gaudreau was held out for the last 5 minutes. No sense in having him play during the end of a game when you have a bunch of guys trying to get attention with little left in the game for repercussions. It's a little bit of a concern of mine if he spends time in the AHL. If he's in the NHL, I hope Hartley plays him in sheltered minutes and with guys that are able to take care of him... even if there's a downgrade in skill.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

ok... pics from last night

*ridiculously good pictures*

My god. You take ridiculously good quality pictures.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

My god. You take ridiculously good quality pictures.

thanks

i wish i had access to the cut out in the glass. they are not as sharp when shooting thru the glass

i also take a crap load of pictures.... i think i had about 900 last night. when you take that many you are bound to get some keepers!

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No thanks. Gaudreau needs to play with skilled players who are smart enough, move fast enough, and think the game quickly enough to keep up with what takes place in his head and on the ice. McGrattan WON'T cut it.

I disagree. In the tournament Johnny proved he can play with anyone on his line. Gaudreau/Bennett/GOON (Smith or Carroll) was a great combination.

Take things back to old-time hockey principles; 2 mega skill guys & one thug riding shotgun to look after them. The logical combo I could see happening in camp would be Gaudreau/Monahan/McGrattan. Big Ern has some decent wheels & isn't just your average goon. He could contribute out there, especially with the other 2 bouncing pucks in off his big skull.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

The logical combo I could see happening in camp would be Gaudreau/Monahan/McGrattan.

Flames were 9-4 last season when Grats got >10 mins of TOI.

Put him in there! haha

[bigbadboss101]

Bollig and Engelland aren't duds either.

[Samiz]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can someone make a gif of the 1 on 4 play by JG?

I know it was in the third period, but can't remember when exactly..

I can't gif it myself but for anyone who wants to, here is the timestamped link:

http://youtu.be/rmiePsAuM2I?t=2h5m2s

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Take things back to old-time hockey principles; 2 mega skill guys & one thug riding shotgun to look after them. The logical combo I could see happening in camp would be Gaudreau/Monahan/McGrattan. Big Ern has some decent wheels & isn't just your average goon. He could contribute out there, especially with the other 2 bouncing pucks in off his big skull.

He fights much better than your average goon, without taking excessive dumb penalties. On the ice for most games played last year. Valuable member of the team with many intangibles, but I'd argue he does not contribute offensively nor defensively (as his advanced stats clearly demonstrate) any better than the average goon.

I think that line works out well for nobody. Sometimes you mix and match linemates to compliment each other, but unless there's some degree of overlap, sometimes they negate each others strengths.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

My god. You take ridiculously good quality pictures.

Just wanted to second this - very nice job, Chris

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by AcGold

What's hyperbole to you is rational to another. I disagree that it's worse because he's our player, Johnny said what he did because he's Johnny and doesn't get mad. There's nothing he could have done, he played it perfectly, had his head up and avoided the check. He didn't get caught and didn't make a mistake. Watch again more closely, I'm not being biased because it has nothing to do with pro vs. college speed.

Johnny sees the hit, turns on the breaks, Corrado completely misses the hit and targets his head with a flying elbow. When I see a players head targeted on a dirty play it makes me like the game less, despite whatever team it's on and your argument that because he's on our team it's more emotional is outright false. When I see Chara gooning it up doing things that would land him in jail on the street and the announcers celebrate it like it's a good hockey play I'm a little disappointed that the one sport I love so much allows utter garbage like that to happen.

Same thing when Gaudreau plays it perfectly and gets assaulted. It's not hockey, it's not fun and there's really no logical defense for it. Lindros and Savard had their careers cut short because the discipline in the league is embarrassing, honestly, I'm embarrassed sometimes to be a hockey fan. It's an opinion, you might not like it but calling it hyperbole is just cheap rhetoric. If it were my way a flying elbow gets you an instant 10 games, crosscheck the numbers and the player goes face first into the boards 15, punching a player after a clean hit repeatedly when he's defenseless should get you 20, cheap blindside that leaves a player knocked out 40. Each time it doubles. The discipline needs to be way more harsh because as it is clean hits are nearly always retaliated upon, you want to defend Corrado attacking Gaudreau for a hit that one of his teammates through? That's hyperbolic to me.

You need to cool it…I never defended Corrado, not once. It's dirty but it is simply not as bad as you're making it out to be IMO. I watched it multiple times and my opinion won't change…I wasn't attacking you so i don't know where this junk is coming from..and you keep bringing up other incidents like they matter to the conversation.

Johnny quote…. “You’re going to get hit. I mean, it’s hockey. Being a smaller guy, you’ve gotta keep your head on a swivel and make sure you’re aware of your surroundings and aware of the players around you. I had my head down there. I should have kept my head up there, but it happens.”

I love how you can tell us what Johnny is thinking, we should trust you because "he's Johnny and doesn't get mad"…and yes, absolutely having it happen to one of our own makes it more emotional…what planet are you from? If you think that was an attack then I don't know what to say to you, you're probably watching the wrong league. And your post is absolutely riddled with hyperbole btw.

[AcGold]

I don't need to cool anything, I'm perfectly calm. There are certain aspects of the game that I have a big issue with, if you don't ok, but that won't stop me from voicing my opinion. The replay clearly shows Gaudreau sees the hit coming, hits the breaks and was going to 100% completely avoid the check.

He wasn't hit with his head down, the replay clearly shows exactly what happened and you insisting that it was different makes me question your analytic skills. Sure Johnny said he had his down, that's his character, he did have his head down way before the elbow and visibly lifted it before the cheapshot as he is noticeably startled and slows down. I'm not telling you what he was thinking, I'm not telling you anything, the replay says everything. It was a cheap shot on a hit Gaudreau was 100% going to avoid while he had his head up, you want to deny that?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

He clearly did not make the correct play to avoid the hit, he did not get "clotheslined" and what I meant by "worse because he's our player" is that we are way more emotionally invested in JH so the reaction is out of proportion to the crime.

Johnny quote…. “You’re going to get hit. I mean, it’s hockey. Being a smaller guy, you’ve gotta keep your head on a swivel and make sure you’re aware of your surroundings and aware of the players around you. I had my head down there. I should have kept my head up there, but it happens.”

Stop making things up. If you look again at the slo-mo, he had his head up the whole time. If you go further back in the play and check the archived game in YouTube, his head was on a swivel before he crossed the blueline.

https://vine.co/v/OaYwxTzJ0uz

That's why he didn't get crushed into the boards in the first place and was able to make the pass to Ferland - he saw Corrado and slowed down, expecting Corrado to hit the boards and then peel away. Instead...

If you think it should be dropped and forgotten that's your call, but don't distort the facts simply because Johnny was being professional in his interview.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I don't need to cool anything, I'm perfectly calm. There are certain aspects of the game that I have a big issue with, if you don't ok, but that won't stop me from voicing my opinion. The replay clearly shows Gaudreau sees the hit coming, hits the breaks and was going to 100% completely avoid the check.

He wasn't hit with his head down, the replay clearly shows exactly what happened and you insisting that it was different makes me question your analytic skills. Sure Johnny said he had his down, that's his character, he did have his head down way before the elbow and visibly lifted it before the cheapshot as he is noticeably startled and slows down. I'm not telling you what he was thinking, I'm not telling you anything, the replay says everything. It was a cheap shot on a hit Gaudreau was 100% going to avoid while he had his head up, you want to deny that?

Pretty much done with you but one last time...you accused me of defending the hit and Corrado when I clearly did not, that is my biggest problem with you to be honest. Now closely followed by you questioning my analytic skills which I take as a personal insult and completely uncalled for. I haven't thrown any insults at you and you have laid down some pretty sweet beach balls for me to swing at.

Try not taking the quote from JG literally....yeah he got his head up at the last second but he is likely saying he should have had it up sooner...pay attention...head on a swivel???Maybe?? You think?

Yeah you were telling us what he's thinking because you claim to have intimate knowledge of his character....and for the last time, I have never and never will defend the hit or claimed it was not a cheap shot so stop trying to put words in my mouth.

My whole point...before I got into this ridiculous argument with you, is this is not a rule changer type hit. There are rules for this stupidity and they were enforced. I also said there are plenty of other examples of hits and ammunition for rule changes out there..but this ain't one of them.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Stop making things up. If you look again at the slo-mo, he had his head up the whole time. If you go further back in the play and check the archived game in YouTube, his head was on a swivel before he crossed the blueline.

https://vine.co/v/OaYwxTzJ0uz

That's why he didn't get crushed into the boards in the first place and was able to make the pass to Ferland - he saw Corrado and slowed down, expecting Corrado to hit the boards and then peel away. Instead...

If you think it should be dropped and forgotten that's your call, but don't distort the facts simply because Johnny was being professional in his interview.

Oh ffs...you can read JG's mind too??? What did I make up? His whole quote is about awareness and failure to avoid the contact (legal or illegal). Same as the other guy, try not taking it literal...he could be saying he needs to pay attention a little longer to avoid the garbage part of the play.

Bottom line is he got tagged, admitted he got tagged and told us how he will correct it. What facts did I distort exactly? The exact word for word quote from JG?

Done.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Oh ffs...you can read JG's mind too??? What did I make up? His whole quote is about awareness and failure to avoid the contact (legal or illegal). Same as the other guy, try not taking it literal...he could be saying he needs to pay attention a little longer to avoid the garbage part of the play.

Bottom line is he got tagged, admitted he got tagged and told us how he will correct it. What facts did I distort exactly? The exact word for word quote from JG?

Done.

Wow I think that entire post went over your head. Gaudreau wanted to be the bigger man and say that it was his fault (even though the video clearly shows there was nothing further Gaudreau could have done to avoid the chop). I'm sure he would love nothing more then call Corrado a dumb goon who should be suspended, but that's not what classy hockey players do.

Also, I fail to see you backing up any of Corrado's comments which should be looked at when considering a suspension. He said he was trying to hurt a skilled blue-chip prospect in whats essentially a pre-season game. Classless just like the Canucks organization.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Also, I fail to see you backing up any of Corrado's comments which should be looked at when considering a suspension. He said he was trying to hurt a skilled blue-chip prospect in whats essentially a pre-season game. Classless just like the Canucks organization.

Where did he say that? I'm curious, because he didn't

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

...Gaudreau wanted to be the bigger man and say that it was his fault (even though the video clearly shows there was nothing further Gaudreau could have done to avoid the chop). I'm sure he would love nothing more then call Corrado a dumb goon who should be suspended, but that's not what classy hockey players do.

No, you cannot possibly be sure about this. You are reading a tonne of apocryphal information into Gaudreau's comments.

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Also, I fail to see you backing up any of Corrado's comments which should be looked at when considering a suspension. He said he was trying to hurt a skilled blue-chip prospect in whats essentially a pre-season game. Classless just like the Canucks organization.

Corrado said, "I saw an opportunity to make a hit on one of their skill players." What makes you think that his intent was to hurt him. I think it is at least as likely—perhaps moreso—that he missed his check and carelessly reacted without thinking about what he was doing. you are suggesting a level of premeditation that I have a very hard time believing from everything we saw and from what we know.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Wow I think that entire post went over your head. Gaudreau wanted to be the bigger man and say that it was his fault (even though the video clearly shows there was nothing further Gaudreau could have done to avoid the chop). I'm sure he would love nothing more then call Corrado a dumb goon who should be suspended, but that's not what classy hockey players do.

Also, I fail to see you backing up any of Corrado's comments which should be looked at when considering a suspension. He said he was trying to hurt a skilled blue-chip prospect in whats essentially a pre-season game. Classless just like the Canucks organization.

What???? Is this place going crazyville? The exact quote from Johnny speaking English went over MY head, I guess I need to read minds like you and the other two so i can "feel" what he really meant. IMO he meant he got himself into a position he shouldn't have and he won't let it happen again.

Why in the blue hell would I back up Corrado's comments? It was a dirty play, I agree with that...where i differ with a few posters is I think the punishment fit the crime on this one....along with the eventual bell call he will have to answer.

It was not an attack/mugging/brutal/pick your exaggeration, type hit. More like a stupid (and dirty) reaction to a missed hit...if it wasn't JG the rhetoric would be zero and if it wasn't a Flame no one would even be talking about it in here.

Going to have to avoid any "OMG Johnny hockey got hit" thread if this is the reaction every time.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, you cannot possibly be sure about this. You are reading a tonne of apocryphal information into Gaudreau's comments.

I learned a new word today and also I learned that it applies to the majority of posts on this forum.

Thanks, you are a gentleman and a scholar!

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

What???? Is this place going crazyville? The exact quote from Johnny speaking English went over MY head

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I guess I need to read minds like you and the other two so i can "feel" what he really meant. IMO he meant he got himself into a position he shouldn't have and he won't let it happen again.

Essentially what Bandwagon said.

You're taking Johnny's words to heart in a really exaggerated fashion. Sure, he says politely "Yeah, I should've kept my head up", but in the end - as evidenced very clearly in the link I provided and also in the video I mentioned, that his head was up the entire time.