Scottish independence referendum thread

[To Be Quite Honest]

So the UK is "promising" new powers if they stay.

So what will they grant? Flight, invulnerability, alter physical structure metal, psionic abilities? The only power I can't see being granted is the ability to see through bull####.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

So the UK is "promising" new powers if they stay.

So what will they grant? Flight, invulnerability, alter physical structure metal, psionic abilities? The only power I can't see being granted is the ability to see through bull####.

Don't worry, Most Scots can already see through bull####. Bull#### from the nationalists

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

One way street isn't it?

No. But the point remains. They're a bunch of bigots.

Agreed?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

So the UK is "promising" new powers if they stay.

You'd think they'd be quite happy to get rid of Scotland.

Would keep them in power for years to come.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Bagor

No. But the point remains. They're a bunch of bigots.

Agreed?

The orange order it's self is not a bigoted organization and many of the people that are in it aren't. But it would be very stupid of me to deny they bring a following who are embarrassing

That's life in the uk. It will never change both sides are at it

I just know what side my bread is buttered

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Bagor

You'd think they'd be quite happy to get rid of Scotland.

Would keep them in power for years to come.

Who in power?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Who in power?

The Tories, although I tend to think the loss of Scotland on their watch will split the party, UKIP is already eating into their support

[soreshins]

I'm scottish but have lived (very happily) in Calgary for the last 6 years. I'm therefore unable to vote in the referendum but my vote would be "Yes".

The No campaign has been shameless fear mongering for the most part and I prefer to believe that the people of Scotland have enough intellectual capacity to manage their own affairs rather than have a remotely elected and London focused government deciding what is in our "interests".

I see this being a very close run vote but I hope that it passes in favour of independence. I will be watching the results roll in from one of Calgary's fine drinking establishments on thursday night.

.....and.......


Go Flames Go!

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by soreshins

I'm scottish but have lived (very happily) in Calgary for the last 6 years. I'm therefore unable to vote in the referendum but my vote would be "Yes".

The No campaign has been shameless fear mongering for the most part and I prefer to believe that the people of Scotland have enough intellectual capacity to manage their own affairs rather than have a remotely elected and London focused government deciding what is in our "interests".

I see this being a very close run vote but I hope that it passes in favour of independence. I will be watching the results roll in from one of Calgary's fine drinking establishments on thursday night.

.....and.......


Go Flames Go!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9736662.html

The yes campaign and the bullying of no voters has been absolutely disgraceful, being called a traitor for wanting to stay part of Britain.

Scotland should stay part of Britain, Scotland helped put the great in Britain with our inventions, fighting side by side with our fellow Brits. Winning numerous gold medals in sporting events.

Scotland would never have achieved where it is right now without the rest of Britain and vice versa.

Better together
Vote no

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Don't worry, Most Scots can already see through bull####. Bull#### from the nationalists

Unfortunately, like Canadian and american politics, the bull#### is explosive diarrhea and the only way to rid yourself from it is by removing yourself from the storm. The people need to remove themselves completely from the English rule and create a true democracy. Our societies are more of a oligarchy than a democracy.

[soreshins]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9736662.html

The yes campaign and the bullying of no voters has been absolutely disgraceful, being called a traitor for wanting to stay part of Britain.

Scotland should stay part of Britain, Scotland helped put the great in Britain with our inventions, fighting side by side with our fellow Brits. Winning numerous gold medals in sporting events.

Scotland would never have achieved where it is right now without the rest of Britain and vice versa.

Better together
Vote no

Naw

You wouldn't be a Rangers supporter by any chance?...

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by soreshins

Naw

You wouldn't be a Rangers supporter by any chance?...

Yes

[Bagor]

How the media shafted the people of Scotland
Journalists in their gilded circles are woefully out of touch with popular sentiment and shamefully slur any desire for change.

Perhaps the most arresting fact about the Scottish referendum is this: that there is no newspaper – local, regional or national, English or Scottish – that supports independence except the Sunday Herald. The Scots who will vote yes have been almost without representation in the media. There is nothing unusual about this. Change in any direction, except further over the brink of market fundamentalism and planetary destruction, requires the defiance of almost the entire battery of salaried opinion. What distinguishes the independence campaign is that it has continued to prosper despite this assault.

In the coverage of the referendum we see most of the pathologies of the corporate media. Here, for instance, you will find the unfounded generalisations with which less enlightened souls are characterised. In the Spectator, Simon Heffer maintains that: “addicted to welfare ... Scots embraced the something for nothing society”, objecting to the poll tax “because many of them felt that paying taxes ought to be the responsibility of someone else”.

Here is the condescension with which the dominant classes have always treated those they regard as inferior: their serfs, the poor, the Irish, Africans, anyone with whom they disagree. “What spoilt, selfish, childlike fools those Scots are ... They simply don’t have a clue how lucky they are,” sneered Melanie Reid in the Times. Here is the chronic inability to distinguish between a cause and a person: the referendum is widely portrayed as a vote about Alex Salmond, who is then monstered beyond recognition (a Telegraph editorial compared him to Robert Mugabe).

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nd-journalists

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

Unfortunately, like Canadian and american politics, the bull#### is explosive diarrhea and the only way to rid yourself from it is by removing yourself from the storm. The people need to remove themselves completely from the English rule and create a true democracy. Our societies are more of a oligarchy than a democracy.

It's not English rule. It's british rule 4 equal countries

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

It's not English rule. It's british rule 4 equal countries

No it's oligarchy rule. You missed the point of the post.

[icarus]

Any political or legal nerds might find this to be an interesting time to revisit the SCC's judgement in Reference Re: Secession of Quebec:

http://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc.../1643/index.do

Among the prescient observations (para 97):

In the circumstances, negotiations following such a referendum would undoubtedly be difficult. While the negotiators would have to contemplate the possibility of secession, there would be no absolute legal entitlement to it and no assumption that an agreement reconciling all relevant rights and obligations would actually be reached.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Itse

These days they're just a commercial bank that have a pompous name.

But yes, they have the technical ability to issue notes.

Not just technically, Scotland has it's own bank notes. Same with Northern Ireland. Not sure about Wales.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's not like Scotland is voting on starting a civil war. Most things will be as they are now until they are changed, which will take time. It's going be at least a decade before things start to look significantly different. And since stability is in the interest of all business, I don't see the UK government creating that much trouble either. After all, both sides will have CEO's to answer to, and all the CEO's will want everything to go as smoothly and uneventfully as possible, because business.

Re: head offices. While it is possible that things remain unchanged, I think you may be overconfident. One needs only to look at the decline of Montreal's corporate climate as major companies that bailed on Montreal and moved to Calgary, Toronto and Vancouver starting in the aftermath of Quebec's 1995 referendum. While Scotland could be smarter than Quebec and opt against adopting business-hostile practices, the general uncertainty is likely to have some impact.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You cannot join the EU or adopt the euro without having your own currency, central bank and meeting stringent economic tests, mostly around public debt.

They have establish themselves first before they can join.

There is some amusing idiocy on the EU's behalf contained in that statement. A nation must spend time, money and effort to build up a currency, just so they can gain the ability to abandon it for the Euro?

[troutman]

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/podcasts/c...0916_54528.mp3

United Kingdom in a precarious position as Scots head to the polls - September 16, 2014

After 300 years of conquest, the UK's greatest threat is now coming from within - Thursday's independence vote in Scotland. Should the YES side succeed, the fallout could be far-reaching. Should the vote go to the NO side, most predict it won't be over.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not quite sure that I understand the currency issue. There was some talk a while back about Iceland adopting the Canadian dollar, as well; there are other independent countries that use the currency of other nations.

American dollars and Euro are already used at least unofficially on the street in many non-member countries.

Is there really anything stopping Scotland from using the pound until they establish something of their own?

Also, Bosnia set up a currency (albeit, pegged to the German Mark) immediately after their independence was settled, and I imagine they had fewer resources and more turmoil to deal with than Scotland will.