Adrian Peterson - Charged w Child Abuse

[undercoverbrother]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1211103958.htm

This is sad.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Hitting kids is abuse.

You know what you teach kids when you hit them, that physical actions/hitting is an acceptable response to situations you don't like.

Adults are supposed to have higher learning/teaching abilities.

The justifications for hitting kids is bull#### put forward by cowards.

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Hitting a kid doesn't teach respect it teaches fear. Hitting a kid with a branch or switch or whatever stupid name you want to call it is abuse.

AP is a POS for not knowing better.

We will agree to disagree. I think there is a distinction between spankings and child abuse.

[rubecube]

I always love the asinine argument of "well I was hit as a kid and I turned out okay," as if all of the criminals and losers in society were kids who didn't get smacked.

[habernac]

the real sad thing was that over 65% of people surveyed on ESPN thought one game was a long enough suspension. This guy is clearly delusional. "I'm not a child abuser." Unreal.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

We will agree to disagree. I think there is a distinction between spankings and child abuse.

Sorry to belabour this but what is the distinction between spankings and child abuse.

Where is your line.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by habernac

the real sad thing was that over 65% of people surveyed on ESPN thought one game was a long enough suspension. This guy is clearly delusional. "I'm not a child abuser." Unreal.

Football is king. I don't know how it became that way but America has lost all it's senses over football. I wish I could bottle it and sell cause it's the best marketing plan of my lifetime.

[zukes]

Here are my thoughts, similar to many I am sure.

I was spanked as a kid, not often, but it happened. I got the belt a few times as well. I got my knuckles smacked with a wooden spoona couple times and I had a wooden badminton racket broken on my leg once.

As I got older, I remember thinking to myself that it was weird that my parents were "teaching" me to not hit my sister (among other things) by hitting me. I remember asking my mom (was too afraid to ask my dad, he hit my mom as well, who finally left him, but that's another NFL topic, sadly) why it was okay for them to hit? They said it was to "teach" me. I asked her why they only spanked me when they were mad then. Why not teach me that way when they weren't as mad?

Fast forward many years ahead. I have two kids of my own. I found that I still felt spanking was justified. Not using a belt and not with enough force to physically hurt them, but enough to get their attention.

Well, that was until I did it and felt terrible. I only did it a couple times over 3 years and each time I would feel worse. I honestly cried each time after to my wife, who agreed that the spanking was justified. The last time, I cried on the spot, enough that my almost four year old son (at the time) actually stopped crying (he was already crying for being in trouble, as I said, it was not hard at all) and asked why I was crying.

I told him right there that I would never hit him or his sister ever again. My daughter doesn;t even remember the one time I spanked her, my son remebers me telling him that I would never again, but says he doesn't remember actually being spanked.

I found that it was actually as I suspected of my parents, it was me losing control.

I have thought a lot about this and I think a lot of times parent's lose their grasp on reality. I remember back to being a kid and your whole world is made up of what your parents do for you and to you. There was nothing I loved more than playing a game with my mom, or playing or watching sports with my dad. You are their whole world when they are young and you're going to hit them? You're going to teach them that is how to deal with problems?

You what happens if you spank somebody who does something wrong as an adult? Could you imagine if your assistant at work screwed up something that they did for you and you spanked them? You go to jail! Why should that be okay within the confines of your home? It makes me very sad, and I am so glad that I learned very quickly that regardless of how little I did it, and how I know it was not done with enough force to hurt them, it was still abuse.

I am proud to say that I have learned from my parent's mistakes (from many others than this too).

[SportsJunky]

Great post zukes and bang on.

[GirlySports]

Radisson hotels is pulling its sponsorship of the Vikings. I guess having your logo appear around North America at a press conference where a child abuser is being praised was a bit much for the hotel chain.



I'm very pleased with the backlash from Minnesotians(?).

[troutman]

We tend to become our parents. If you have ever been in counseling or therapy, they spend a great deal of time exploring how your parents were with you.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by zukes

Here are my thoughts, similar to many I am sure.

I was spanked as a kid, not often, but it happened. I got the belt a few times as well. I got my knuckles smacked with a wooden spoona couple times and I had a wooden badminton racket broken on my leg once.

As I got older, I remember thinking to myself that it was weird that my parents were "teaching" me to not hit my sister (among other things) by hitting me. I remember asking my mom (was too afraid to ask my dad, he hit my mom as well, who finally left him, but that's another NFL topic, sadly) why it was okay for them to hit? They said it was to "teach" me. I asked her why they only spanked me when they were mad then. Why not teach me that way when they weren't as mad?

Fast forward many years ahead. I have two kids of my own. I found that I still felt spanking was justified. Not using a belt and not with enough force to physically hurt them, but enough to get their attention.

Well, that was until I did it and felt terrible. I only did it a couple times over 3 years and each time I would feel worse. I honestly cried each time after to my wife, who agreed that the spanking was justified. The last time, I cried on the spot, enough that my almost four year old son (at the time) actually stopped crying (he was already crying for being in trouble, as I said, it was not hard at all) and asked why I was crying.

I told him right there that I would never hit him or his sister ever again. My daughter doesn;t even remember the one time I spanked her, my son remebers me telling him that I would never again, but says he doesn't remember actually being spanked.

I found that it was actually as I suspected of my parents, it was me losing control.

I have thought a lot about this and I think a lot of times parent's lose their grasp on reality. I remember back to being a kid and your whole world is made up of what your parents do for you and to you. There was nothing I loved more than playing a game with my mom, or playing or watching sports with my dad. You are their whole world when they are young and you're going to hit them? You're going to teach them that is how to deal with problems?

You what happens if you spank somebody who does something wrong as an adult? Could you imagine if your assistant at work screwed up something that they did for you and you spanked them? You go to jail! Why should that be okay within the confines of your home? It makes me very sad, and I am so glad that I learned very quickly that regardless of how little I did it, and how I know it was not done with enough force to hurt them, it was still abuse.

I am proud to say that I have learned from my parent's mistakes (from many others than this too).

great post.

I thought i was definitely in the a small smack here and there as a tool to teach/train behavior would be part of my parenting toolset when required. Now that i have a kid i'm just not so sure. Mind you my guy is only 18 months so his mis-behaving is limited, but i just can't see how hitting him is the onlyway to get a message across.

again, to spank or not spank debate aside, i think the line where spanking becomes child abuse has been crossed, that's without even having to define where that line actually exists. what has been described here is above and beyond the amount of force that a person of that strength needs to apply to a 4 year old under the veil of disciplinary "spanking" .

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Football is king. I don't know how it became that way but America has lost all it's senses over football. I wish I could bottle it and sell cause it's the best marketing plan of my lifetime.

i don't think this is an NFL issue alone.

Remember the avs goalie varlamov who was charged with assaulting his wife...

Varlamov was arrested and charged with misdemeanour assault after his girlfriend told police he knocked her down with a kick, stomped on her chest and dragged her by her hair at their apartment on Oct. 30.

(taken from http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...pped-1.2472299)

can you imagine how horrid that video would have looked to the public??

i can't seem to find anything online to confirm, but pretty sure he didn't get any suspensions from his team or the league. In fact, it didn't make proportional waves in the NHL headlines at the time either or have public outcry the way the rice or peterson incidents have.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i don't think this is an NFL issue alone.

Remember the avs goalie varlamov who was charged with assaulting his wife...


(taken from http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...pped-1.2472299)

can you imagine how horrid that video would have looked to the public??

i can't seem to find anything online to confirm, but pretty sure he didn't get any suspensions from his team or the league. In fact, it didn't make proportional waves in the NHL headlines at the time either or have public outcry the way the rice or peterson incidents have.

But that case was thrown out, along with possible evidence of slander on behalf of his wife. Not saying which is true in the matter, but the reason it didn't make waves is because her story was not adding up

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Radisson hotels is pulling its sponsorship of the Vikings. I guess having your logo appear around North America at a press conference where a child abuser is being praised was a bit much for the hotel chain.



I'm very pleased with the backlash from Minnesotians(?).

The NFL should be pretty concerned now.............Budweiser is not happy. And they have a 1.2 billion dollar deal with the league.

"We are disappointed and increasingly concerned by the recent incidents that have overshadowed this NFL season. We are not yet satisfied with the league's handling of behaviors that so clearly go against our own company culture and moral code," Anheuser-Busch said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports.

"We have shared our concerns and expectations with the league."

"We understand," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement. "We are taking action and there will be much more to come."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...rson/15728397/

[Dion]

Elliote Freidman was on the Fan this afternoon and talked about the Adrian Peterson incident with Rob Kerr. He began by saying he was a life long Vikings fans and made mention that if Peterson plays this upcoming weekend he will cease being a supporter of the Vikings.

[Derek Sutton]

No video. That is the difference in how the Ray Rice incident was handled vs AP. Remember, Rice only got two games until the video was released, if there was video of AP whipping his kid, the reaction would be worse. Charles Barkley, though not defending AP, said it was how things are done in the south.

I see crossing the line as anything more then a swat on the butt. Bruises, cuts, swelling, striking anywhere other then the arse to me is abuse. Just my opinion.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

No video. That is the difference in how the Ray Rice incident was handled vs AP. Remember, Rice only got two games until the video was released, if there was video of AP whipping his kid, the reaction would be worse. Charles Barkley, though not defending AP, said it was how things are done in the south.

I see crossing the line as anything more then a swat on the butt. Bruises, cuts, swelling, striking anywhere other then the arse to me is abuse. Just my opinion.

Which is why the PA is going to appeal Ray Rice's suspension. It's made out of thin air.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Late tonight, the Vikings changed their mind again.

Eden Prairie, MN (September 17, 2014) – This has been an ongoing and deliberate process since last Friday’s news. In conversations with the NFL over the last two days, the Vikings advised the League of the team’s decision to revisit the situation regarding Adrian Peterson. In response, the League informed the team of the option to place Adrian on the Exempt/Commissioner’s Permission list, which will require that Adrian remain away from all team activities while allowing him to take care of his personal situation until the legal proceedings are resolved. After giving the situation additional thought, we have decided this is the appropriate course of action for the organization and for Adrian

While we were trying to make a balanced decision yesterday, after further reflection we have concluded that this resolution is best for the Vikings and for Adrian. We want to be clear: we have a strong stance regarding the protection and welfare of children, and we want to be sure we get this right. At the same time we want to express our support for Adrian and acknowledge his seven-plus years of outstanding commitment to this organization and this community. Adrian emphasized his desire to avoid further distraction to his teammates and coaches while focusing on his current situation; this resolution accomplishes these objectives as well.

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-...40917_31766716

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by zukes

Here are my thoughts, similar to many I am sure.

I was spanked as a kid, not often, but it happened. I got the belt a few times as well. I got my knuckles smacked with a wooden spoona couple times and I had a wooden badminton racket broken on my leg once.

As I got older, I remember thinking to myself that it was weird that my parents were "teaching" me to not hit my sister (among other things) by hitting me. I remember asking my mom (was too afraid to ask my dad, he hit my mom as well, who finally left him, but that's another NFL topic, sadly) why it was okay for them to hit? They said it was to "teach" me. I asked her why they only spanked me when they were mad then. Why not teach me that way when they weren't as mad?

Fast forward many years ahead. I have two kids of my own. I found that I still felt spanking was justified. Not using a belt and not with enough force to physically hurt them, but enough to get their attention.

Well, that was until I did it and felt terrible. I only did it a couple times over 3 years and each time I would feel worse. I honestly cried each time after to my wife, who agreed that the spanking was justified. The last time, I cried on the spot, enough that my almost four year old son (at the time) actually stopped crying (he was already crying for being in trouble, as I said, it was not hard at all) and asked why I was crying.

I told him right there that I would never hit him or his sister ever again. My daughter doesn;t even remember the one time I spanked her, my son remebers me telling him that I would never again, but says he doesn't remember actually being spanked.

I found that it was actually as I suspected of my parents, it was me losing control.

I have thought a lot about this and I think a lot of times parent's lose their grasp on reality. I remember back to being a kid and your whole world is made up of what your parents do for you and to you. There was nothing I loved more than playing a game with my mom, or playing or watching sports with my dad. You are their whole world when they are young and you're going to hit them? You're going to teach them that is how to deal with problems?

You what happens if you spank somebody who does something wrong as an adult? Could you imagine if your assistant at work screwed up something that they did for you and you spanked them? You go to jail! Why should that be okay within the confines of your home? It makes me very sad, and I am so glad that I learned very quickly that regardless of how little I did it, and how I know it was not done with enough force to hurt them, it was still abuse.

I am proud to say that I have learned from my parent's mistakes (from many others than this too).

I was thinking the same thing. We all know that you can never hit a woman, but some how some think it is OK to hit a Child? Interesting value sets. The NFL seem to agree as well from both recent developments and differing suspensions.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Late tonight, the Vikings changed their mind again.





http://www.vikings.com/news/article-...40917_31766716

This was kind of predictable. They announced he would be playing first thing Monday morning, which gave the media and public plenty of time to stew over this and the controversy of his reinstatement build. I'm not sure how late in the week they could have announced he would be active on Sunday, but announcing his reinstatement right after a big loss to the Pats looks very bad for the Vikings.

Was a stupid decision to suggest he would be back in. Im leaning towards the thought that he is done for the year.