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Old 09-11-2014, 02:04 PM   #101
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What question would that be and what relevance would it be to my assertion that:
The Orange Order are a bunch of bigots.

Here you have a pretty decent broadsheet newspaper in the UK as recently as today suggesting that to be associated with the Orange Order is to be associated with sectarianism and you remain silent only to say that they are not bigots.

That's like suggesting the Klan isn't racist.
Oh it's in a news paper. Must be true then.
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They can change the world map but they cant change me! I'll never recognize Myanmar or the Congo, they'll always be Burma and Zair in my heart!

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Old 09-11-2014, 07:30 PM   #104
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What makes you jump to this conclusion. Nothing in there beliefs or formation references races, only religion. There were lodges formed in areas of Africa ffs.
Oh I don't know, the stoning of Rumanian refugees and arson of Chinese restaurants in loyalists areas.
Seriously I'm English, had a mate killed by the IRA back in the seventies and I still prefer the Catholics to the effing proddies, they are as inbred a bunch of efftards as you are ever likely to meet.
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Oh I don't know, the stoning of Rumanian refugees and arson of Chinese restaurants in loyalists areas.
Seriously I'm English, had a mate killed by the IRA back in the seventies and I still prefer the Catholics to the effing proddies, they are as inbred a bunch of efftards as you are ever likely to meet.
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Oh I don't know, the stoning of Rumanian refugees and arson of Chinese restaurants in loyalists areas.
Seriously I'm English, had a mate killed by the IRA back in the seventies and I still prefer the Catholics to the effing proddies, they are as inbred a bunch of efftards as you are ever likely to meet.
What a load of ####e
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One of my grandfathers was an Orangeman. He was pretty progressive for his time. Believed in women's rights and unions. Was a founder of the CCF and ran for them a few times. The thing was he hated the Irish and catholics which I found interesting because he was from Dublin. A little investigation though makes him of Scots ancestry, so now I understand him a bit better but I never understood the hate.
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What a load of ####e
Hard to respond to such a well thought out, evidence based response. But I'll try.

More newspapers making up stories again.

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A Ku Klux Klan flag has been placed in an area of Belfast at the centre of a recent surge in racist attacks in the city.East Belfast MP Naomi Long has condemned those who put up the symbol of the KKK movement, accusing them of heightening racist tensions in her constituency.
There has been a spike in racist attacks in Belfast, with the Police Service of Northern Ireland confirming its officers are investigating up to three racist incidents every day. A large proportion of racist attacks and intimidation is taking place in the loyalist east.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...acist-tensions

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The UK's only Chinese-born parliamentarian is leaving Northern Ireland politics because of continued racist abuse by loyalists.
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So perhaps the hundred or more Roma immigrants who were driven out of their homes in South Belfast saw it coming. Their attackers from the Loyalist Village area subjected them to four days of sustained onslaughts, breaking windows and daubing their homes in Belgravia Avenue and Wellesley Avenue, on the fringes of the Village, with racist slogans. Another Romanian Roma family was attacked in the Ballyhackamore area of the city, about three miles from the Village. Nor was sufficient police protection available, so families took shelter in a local church and the overflow was housed in a leisure centre....
The church sheltering the fleeing families was subsequently attacked, by stones and other missiles.
http://www.e-ir.info/2009/07/01/raci...ut-of-belfast/

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Hard to respond to such a well thought out, evidence based response. But I'll try.

More newspapers making up stories again.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...acist-tensions

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...e-racist-abuse

http://www.e-ir.info/2009/07/01/raci...ut-of-belfast/

Why do you deny such things?
I wasn't denying the attacks,
Have you ever lived in an area where there is mass immigration of Roma gypsies ?
Seems like in those areas that a number of attacks on "locals" seems to go up every year. So if the government does nothing the community will.
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I wasn't denying the attacks,
Have you ever lived in an area where there is mass immigration of Roma gypsies ?
Seems like in those areas that a number of attacks on "locals" seems to go up every year. So if the government does nothing the community will.
I lived my whole life around diddies until I came to canada, they have social issues like our native population here which can cause problems but stoning their children on the way to school is as ######ed racist ######bag behaviour as I can think of short of lynching a few.
I have Irish and Scots Protestant in my blood, I'm a descendant of John Knox for Christ sake but the behaviour of the working class Protestant population in Derry and Belfast has been repugnant, I'm sure many of them are as embarrassed and ashamed of their community as I am seeing as I'm related in no small way to them but the communities behaviour is inexcusable.
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What a load of ####e
I dunno what posts like this add to the debate, I know the mods work hard and for free but some of the posts this guy makes that are left up on the site... Jeez.
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I dunno what posts like this add to the debate, I know the mods work hard and for free but some of the posts this guy makes that are left up on the site... Jeez.
This is worse, and I have "no skin in this game".

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I wasn't denying the attacks,
Have you ever lived in an area where there is mass immigration of Roma gypsies ?
Seems like in those areas that a number of attacks on "locals" seems to go up every year. So if the government does nothing the community will.
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In related news that bigoted old ####### Ian Paisley passed away.
Won't miss him even if he did mellow in his old age
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I dunno what posts like this add to the debate, I know the mods work hard and for free but some of the posts this guy makes that are left up on the site... Jeez.
I'm actually not sure why he's allowed to continue to post here. Dude has a repeated history of being a flagrant racist/bigot.
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The iconic Union Jack would have to change or be dumped altogether without Scotland as part of Great Britain.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-9724706.html

I'm particularly sad as I got Union Jack socks this past Christmas. Please stop and reconsider, Scotland.
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I don't see how anything racism-related is related to Scottish independence.

After all, no matter how the vote goes, pretty much the same people will live in Scotland, with the same attitudes they have now. It's not like the more liberal Scotland is likely to be any more racially segregated than UK is.

Generally what kind of bothers me (to the point that any of this matters to a Finn) is that most of the anti-independence arguments seem completely disingenuous to me. Pretty much everyone of them play off on fears that seem completely irrelevant when you start looking at a world where the vote has already happened (which is where the possible fears would materialize, if at all).

For example, it's 100% guaranteed no company will leave Scotland even if the vote is "yes", no matter what kind of threats they are making at this point. Why the heck would they? Companies are in the business of making money. If you're an established player in a market of 5+ million people, the majority of whom have just declared they prefer the idea of an independent Scotland, the very last thing you want to do is painting yourself as anti-Scottish (and anti-democracy).

Besides, if you leave the country, it will give you a significant lobbying disadvantage when Scotland starts to go over every law they have to decide what they want changed.

Companies might leave based if the taxation changes to a point where the cost of moving is less than the potential gains in moving. Other reasons seem extremely unlikely to me.

Another stupid argument is "well what currency you will use?". Oh please. Is there a country in modern times that has not had a currency? This is a technical matter. Also, since it's generally extremely beneficial for a country to have it's currency to be in as wide circulation as possible, I don't see why the UK would actually want to stop the Scotland from using their currency.

Will Scotland be accepted into the EU or Euro? Who cares. Iceland is doing fine without them, Scotland will too. Not to mention most former Yugoslavia countries, Norway and Switzerland. For most people, life with or without EU is mostly the same. The benefits and drawbacks are complicated.

Since companies will want to trade with Scotland, (because again there's money to be made there just like everywhere else), free trade agreements will get done, end of story.

I mean, most of the threats are so irrelevant anyway, when you consider the stakes. This is a decision that might easily carry on through history for the next 300 years. Off the top of my head I can think of two things that matter on that timescale:

- The democratic will of the Scottish people will pretty much certainly be better heard in an independent country.
- There will just as certainly be some current benefits lost that come with being part of a major power of international politics and finance.

It's worth noting that pretty much in every situation those things go against each other. For example, since so much is these days decided on an international level, the Scottish might find that there might not be that much more they can decide for themselves as an independent but small country.

On the other hand, it's clear Scotland has never been a priority for London. So even if the Scottish economy takes a hit, the Scots on average might end still end up better off due to more of it's economy actually benefiting the Scottish, and just generally money being used in ways that fits their needs and wants.


Personally it seems like a no-brainer for the average Scot really. I can say from experience (and reading statistics) that life as a member of the Nordic welfare states rocks, and if that is in fact the way Scottish politics would roll if they got the chance to decide for themselves, I don't see anything London can offer that would offset that. But of course I'm biased
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^^^ all of the same statements could be used to support Quebec separtism as well.

I think the biggest reason not to is lack of diversification of the enconomy. If you look at a larger country booms in one sector or region offset recessions in other sectors or reason making the impacts of technology change or industrial progress have less impact.

The whole flag, currency etc arguments are just red herrings but lack of diversificaiton is a big one.

On free trade a larger trading power will always be able to get a better deal than a smaller power as the smaller entity needs the larger entity to buy its goods more than the larger entity needs to buy the goods so it would definately hurt there.

Another interesting thing would be England will become more conservative if liberal scotland leaves. Is a more Conservative England good for an independant Scotland as English financial, immigragtion, and social policy will still have a significant effect on an indenpendant Scotland as Great Britain/England will still control the continant.

Also GB will not have to change its flag. There might be some who want to but there is no requirement just becuase it contains the scottish flag that it has to change.
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