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Jankowski is certainly giving us full value as discussion fodder

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not that this is directed at you, but I really want the fans to recognize they keep falling back to things said about Jankowski when he was drafted two years ago. The one that is most annoying right now is him being a big skinny kid. He just made it public that he's over 200 now, 202 iirc, which puts him in some fine company, according to NHL.com's Top 60 prospects. Consider the size of the following players:

Leon Draisaitl - 6'2, 204
Anthony Mantha - 6'4, 190
Nikita Zadorov - 6'4, 200
Darnell Nurse - 6'4, 185
Griffin Reinhart - 6'4, 205
Mirco Mueller - 6'3, 195
Jacob De La Rose - 6'3, 187
Kevin Hayes - 6'3, 205

All of these guys are players that the scouts are all excited about, and their size is one of the things identified in each of their bios as a big strength. So how is Jankowski, at 6'4, 202, a tall skinny drink of water, but Darnell Nurse at 6'4, 185, or Kevin Hayes at 6'3, 205, ready to compete because of their physical gifts?

You sure cherry pick your stats.


Let's use Jankowski's size as relayed this month and compare that to the size of the rest of the guys that they were when they got drafted.

Jankowski is the only one that has put on weight.


A Calgary Sun article has Kevin Hayes at 6-4 216


Pretty sure that if Nurse is 6-4 185 he will not be playing his hard game at the NHL level.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You sure cherry pick your stats.


Let's use Jankowski's size as relayed this month and compare that to the size of the rest of the guys that they were when they got drafted.

Jankowski is the only one that has put on weight.


A Calgary Sun article has Kevin Hayes at 6-4 216


Pretty sure that if Nurse is 6-4 185 he will not be playing his hard game at the NHL level.

How is he cherry picking stats? He stated that those are all prospects that scouts are high on, and gave his reasoning.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

How is he cherry picking stats? He stated that those are all prospects that scouts are high on, and gave his reasoning.

Because he's comparing Jankowski's weight today to the weight of other prospects when they were drafted. Had he used Jankowski's draft weight that would have been fine, or if he had compared the weights of those players at Jankowski's a common age that would have been fine too.

The poster picked data (probably not intentionally) that made Jankowski look more comparable to other prospects than he actually is.

Really though, it depends on how you read the original post. Over the long haul he'll probably end up being a bit lighter than some of those guys. That said, if Draisaitl has NHL ready size today, then why doesn't Janko have NHL ready size today. That's a very interesting and valid point.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You sure cherry pick your stats.


Let's use Jankowski's size as relayed this month and compare that to the size of the rest of the guys that they were when they got drafted.

Jankowski is the only one that has put on weight.


A Calgary Sun article has Kevin Hayes at 6-4 216


Pretty sure that if Nurse is 6-4 185 he will not be playing his hard game at the NHL level.

So then Jankowski has a few years to make the difference of the 14 lbs since Hayes is older. He is a month older than Monahan. Jankowski doesn't turn 20 until this weekend. I think if you compare him to Monahan, who reportedly is around 210 now, I think Jankowski is doing just fine.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You sure cherry pick your stats.

This is hilarious coming from you.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not that this is directed at you, but I really want the fans to recognize they keep falling back to things said about Jankowski when he was drafted two years ago. The one that is most annoying right now is him being a big skinny kid. He just made it public that he's over 200 now, 202 iirc, which puts him in some fine company, according to NHL.com's Top 60 prospects. Consider the size of the following players:

Leon Draisaitl - 6'2, 204
Anthony Mantha - 6'4, 190
Nikita Zadorov - 6'4, 200
Darnell Nurse - 6'4, 185
Griffin Reinhart - 6'4, 205
Mirco Mueller - 6'3, 195
Jacob De La Rose - 6'3, 187
Kevin Hayes - 6'3, 205

All of these guys are players that the scouts are all excited about, and their size is one of the things identified in each of their bios as a big strength. So how is Jankowski, at 6'4, 202, a tall skinny drink of water, but Darnell Nurse at 6'4, 185, or Kevin Hayes at 6'3, 205, ready to compete because of their physical gifts?

and there is another one that gets taken off your list - from another thread:

Originally Posted by cannon7

One has to assume that teams like the Red Wings are going to get favored in rankings like this and justifiably so. From reports I've read out of their camp, Anthony Mantha is coming in with ~25lbs of extra muscle. Considering the guy is already a beast, I can't imagine how he won't be a factor in the Red Wings' season this year. Was hoping the Flames would pick him up with one of our later first round picks but he was selected higher than expected.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You sure cherry pick your stats.

Coming from you, that's ####ing hilarious!

If I'm cherry picking my stats you can take that up with the NHL, because I got each and every one of those sizes and weights from the NHL.com article. If the data is wrong, take it up with the league offices.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not that this is directed at you, but I really want the fans to recognize they keep falling back to things said about Jankowski when he was drafted two years ago. The one that is most annoying right now is him being a big skinny kid. He just made it public that he's over 200 now, 202 iirc, which puts him in some fine company, according to NHL.com's Top 60 prospects. Consider the size of the following players:

Leon Draisaitl - 6'2, 204
Anthony Mantha - 6'4, 190
Nikita Zadorov - 6'4, 200
Darnell Nurse - 6'4, 185
Griffin Reinhart - 6'4, 205
Mirco Mueller - 6'3, 195
Jacob De La Rose - 6'3, 187
Kevin Hayes - 6'3, 205

All of these guys are players that the scouts are all excited about, and their size is one of the things identified in each of their bios as a big strength. So how is Jankowski, at 6'4, 202, a tall skinny drink of water, but Darnell Nurse at 6'4, 185, or Kevin Hayes at 6'3, 205, ready to compete because of their physical gifts?

Maybe he just has a smaller frame. Draisaitl and Nurse for example are reportedly up to 215 and 209 respectively.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

Coming from you, that's ####ing hilarious!

If I'm cherry picking my stats you can take that up with the NHL, because I got each and every one of those sizes and weights from the NHL.com article. If the data is wrong, take it up with the league offices.

Link to the article.


NHL.com has Jankowski at 6-3 168.


I totally believe that he has grown to somewhere around 200 lbs.


BUT all the other guys you use in the comparison are certainly bigger than the size (likely their weight at draft) that Nhl.com has them at.


You are simply comparing the 20 year old Jankowski (he turns 20 tomorrow) with the 18 year old size of the players in the list. That would pretty much be the definition of cherry picking.

Jankowski would be a big player at 200 lbs as an over age junior in the OHL this year.... playing against 16-19 year olds.

Maybe his putting on 32 lbs has taken away his magic the Flames got sold on as a High school player... His 25 pts in 39 games at the NCAA level certainly does not get him drafted in this year's 1st or maybe not even in the second.

Luckily the Flames get a mulligan 2nd round pick if he does not have a dominate season in his third year.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Luckily the Flames get a mulligan 2nd round pick if he does not have a dominate season in his third year.

The Flames get a 2nd round pick if Jankowski and the organization can't come to terms on a deal after his senior year of College. A pick isn't awarded (or not) based on what he does in his third year.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The Flames get a 2nd round pick if Jankowski and the organization can't come to terms on a deal after his senior year of College. A pick isn't awarded (or not) based on what he does in his third year.

He puts up less than a ppg as a 20 year old in the NCAA and the Flames erase the 2017 2nd round pick they have in pencil and put it in ink.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He puts up less than a ppg as a 20 year old in the NCAA and the Flames erase the 2017 2nd round pick they have in pencil and put it in ink.

So you mean that the Flames will think he's a bust and would opt to take the second round pick over signing the kid and getting him into the AHL to develop him further.

I think more than a few people including myself will be at odds with this conclusion on your part because it really isn't how this works. And even if he doesn't put up a PPG in his senior year it does not equate to him being a bust.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

He puts up less than a ppg as a 20 year old in the NCAA and the Flames erase the 2017 2nd round pick they have in pencil and put it in ink.

But what would they do, then if he came back in his senior year and registers 2.0 pts/game? I mean, they put that 2nd round pick in ink! There is just no coming back from that.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But what would they do, then if he came back in his senior year and registers 2.0 pts/game? I mean, they put that 2nd round pick in ink! There is just no coming back from that.

Invisible ink!

[Scornfire]

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

If they think he's a bust but still want compensation it actually puts them in a tough spot because they have to offer him a contract to get the compensation. If he does poorly in the next two years then he'll probably just accept that offer. If we get that 2nd rounder as compensation it'll be because he rejected the flames, not the other way around.

[FBI]

psssst here's the Jankowski thread:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=118910

Can we let this thread die now?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Link to the article.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...id=DL|NHL|home

Jankowski is not listed in the chart.

How about a straight comparison then for the teams they played for last year?

Leon Draisaitl - 6'2, 204, 6'1, 209
Anthony Mantha - 6'4, 190, 6'5, 204
Nikita Zadorov - 6'4, 200, 6'5, 220
Darnell Nurse - 6'4, 185, 6'4 193
Griffin Reinhart - 6'4, 205, 6'4, 202
Mirco Mueller - 6'3, 195, 6'3, 195
Jacob De La Rose - 6'3, 187, 6'3, 183
Kevin Hayes - 6'3, 205, 6'4, 216

Some of the guys actually got smaller, but that is probably just cherry picking information by the teams they were playing for.

Luckily the Flames get a mulligan 2nd round pick if he does not have a dominate season in his third year.

[Finger Cookin]

This is as good a thread as any for this. 1-on-1 with Bob McKenzie and Brad Treliving. Interestingly enough, Treliving identifies offense/goal-scoring as the area he would address via trade, when he mentioned defense and depth on defense earlier in the calendar year. He also discusses the goaltender competition, individual prospects (Bennett, Gaudreau, Baertschi), analytics, his working relationship with Burke, the 2015 draft, and so on. Worth a watch.

http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=439474