Whenever I think about Aquaman, I think of how he was the odd man out on Super Friends when I was a kid, and wondering why he was on the team instead of somebody cool.
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And that is exactly how you use Doomsday. You have Superman know that Doomsday is out destroying the JLA and heading towards Metropolis while Luthor or Braniac or another major villain has a noose wrapped around someone he loves. What are you going to do Supes? Save Lois Lane and let Doomsday destroy Metro? Or save your city and let Lois die? The JLA are dropping like flies, clocks ticking buddy.
I would never have Doomsday as the only villain, just like there should have been more to Bane in the final Batman movie (and Ra's daughter). But he can serve a great purpose, and in the end if he does take Superman to the edge they can grip our emotions as Supes makes the choice of a life time and we the audience having seen this arc before will expect a death, or should we? Will they change it for the movies? Does he even choose to save Metropolis over Lois?
When he snapped Zod's neck I could not help but say What the (3@!!!!! right in the theatre.. Superman ... killed someone? Pretty clear they are trying to separate this Superman from the one we are used to seeing. What if he does choose Lois over Metropolis and some of the JLA survive, what do you think Batman would have to say about that choice? Lots of different ways to go with this..
Maybe Doomsday makes a passable summer blockbuster, but he's such a flimsy villain. There's no conflict between him and anyone on earth that's readily apparent, which makes him little more than a walking, talking McGuffin.
I have been thinking the best thing they could possibly do is make their justice league movie as an adaptation of Blackest Night. You get all the major heroes and you tackle the issue of superheroes never staying dead
You kill off someone important, and you make the sacrifice matter. Most importantly, just throw the audience in. We know who all these people are, And if we don't, google it or ask the fat guy in line behind you wearing the Atom t shirt.
Whatever you do, ensure Guillermo del Toro directs it, not Zack Snyder. #### that guy. Maybe read a superman book before you make another movie.
.... This movie is happening the way it is because someone told that hack fraud. Dark Knight Returns was really popular, isn't it?
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No more Superman, Batman, or Spiderman movies. It has all been done and they are nothing but re-tread cash crabs at this point.
You know, if you are that offended by the concept of people remaking movies, and insist that theya re cash grabs (which is itself the stupidest arguement ever), you could, I don't know, just not go see the movie.
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Tinordi must have seen what like 5 or 6 superhero movies of this generation. Did you bother to watch X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine, Catwoman, Elektra, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, Jonah Hex, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 3, Superman Returns, Punisher: Warzone, Blade Trinity, Hulk, Iron Man 2, Daredevil (theatrical cut) and I am probably missing a few. But all of those without a doubt are worse than Man of Steel.
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Tinordi must have seen what like 5 or 6 superhero movies of this generation. Did you bother to watch X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine, Catwoman, Elektra, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, Jonah Hex, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 3, Superman Returns, Punisher: Warzone, Blade Trinity, Hulk, Iron Man 2, Daredevil (theatrical cut) and I am probably missing a few. But all of those without a doubt are worse than Man of Steel.
I know there's a lot of bad comic movies, but Man of Steel makes Superman Returns look like an Oscar winner. It may be a horrifically flawed movie that doesn't know what it wants to be, but at least it's about Superman. At least there's a few fun moments.
At the end of Superman Returns, a giant crystal island threatens the eastern seaboard. Superman spends 20 minutes saving literally everyone. In Man of Steel, 100,000 people die because he never thinks maybe he should take this fight somewhere else. He saves Lois Lane, and commits murder because four randoms are in peril. What a great superman movie.
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Maybe Man of Steel was critically doomed from the beginning.
It actually wasn't supposed to be about Superman. He isn't "Superman" yet in the movie. That's why the film is called Man of Steel and why they don't refer to him as Superman until near the end half hazardly.
In the Donner film we have a montage in the fortress of solitude to mold him into Superman. In this version it seems he is going to have to learn the hard way how to actually become "Superman"
While everybody seems to be focusing on Batfleck for BvS, I'm more interested to see how they handle the development of Clark Kent/Superman and if he actually becomes "an ideal to strive towards."
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Tinordi must have seen what like 5 or 6 superhero movies of this generation. Did you bother to watch X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men Origins Wolverine, Catwoman, Elektra, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, Jonah Hex, Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four 2, Spider-Man 3, Superman Returns, Punisher: Warzone, Blade Trinity, Hulk, Iron Man 2, Daredevil (theatrical cut) and I am probably missing a few. But all of those without a doubt are worse than Man of Steel.
Actually I found Punisher Warzone to have some redeeming qualities, and poor Wolverine was saddled with the worst possible rendition of Deadpool available, but I really liked the casting throughout.
That list really makes Man of Steel out to be a solid C- superhero movie with several major flaws, which I think is a fair assessment. DC really needs to hit this next one out of the park.
Maybe Man of Steel was critically doomed from the beginning.
It actually wasn't supposed to be about Superman. He isn't "Superman" yet in the movie. That's why the film is called Man of Steel and why they don't refer to him as Superman until near the end half hazardly.
In the Donner film we have a montage in the fortress of solitude to mold him into Superman. In this version it seems he is going to have to learn the hard way how to actually become "Superman"
While everybody seems to be focusing on Batfleck for BvS, I'm more interested to see how they handle the development of Clark Kent/Superman and if he actually becomes "an ideal to strive towards."
This is the way I viewed it as well. Maybe people expected Superman to just start out as a righteous always doing the right thing type of guy, but is that realisitc? Especially growing up on Earth? I think him killing Zod (and maybe the destruction of Metropolis) was important to show Clark who/what he had to be in order to inspire the Earth the way he is meant to.
This what (at least if Snyder has some intelligence) I think will be the main focus of BvS. Batman is unimpressed by Supermans disregard for destruction and death and is going to show Superman the type sacrifice that is necessary to be a hero (including having a normal alter-ego life).
I think MoS was striving to avoid the trap that Green Lantern fell into where they tried to make a character who was by all accounts an ahole into full-fledged a hero in under a week, in one film. It just doesn't work like that and there has to be a reason for a character change beyond "I have superpowers and a girl to fight for!"
I'm hoping that once the series is flushed out a bit more, Superman will end up being more like what diehards describe and MoS will be looked upon more favorably as a piece of a larger story.
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I find this speculation on what would make for a good BvS script really interesting.
I really like the idea of Bruce Wayne having a head start on how to be a hero, but with vulnerabilities. Enter Clark Kent with very few vulnerabilities but little understanding of justice, sure he has a high moral code but that stems from a small farm and maybe he (Superman) needs to be coached on how to be a hero.
Either way, for the love of god, please keep the token love stories out of this.
You know, if you are that offended by the concept of people remaking movies, and insist that theya re cash grabs (which is itself the stupidest arguement ever), you could, I don't know, just not go see the movie.
I won't, along with anyone else who has half a clue and can see this will be a bad cash grab.
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This is the way I viewed it as well. Maybe people expected Superman to just start out as a righteous always doing the right thing type of guy, but is that realisitc? Especially growing up on Earth? I think him killing Zod (and maybe the destruction of Metropolis) was important to show Clark who/what he had to be in order to inspire the Earth the way he is meant to.
This what (at least if Snyder has some intelligence) I think will be the main focus of BvS. Batman is unimpressed by Supermans disregard for destruction and death and is going to show Superman the type sacrifice that is necessary to be a hero (including having a normal alter-ego life).
I think MoS was striving to avoid the trap that Green Lantern fell into where they tried to make a character who was by all accounts an ahole into full-fledged a hero in under a week, in one film. It just doesn't work like that and there has to be a reason for a character change beyond "I have superpowers and a girl to fight for!"
I'm hoping that once the series is flushed out a bit more, Superman will end up being more like what diehards describe and MoS will be looked upon more favorably as a piece of a larger story.
Agreed, we didn't get an open and closed book with Superman in MoS, we saw a Superman that has never been shown before, one who is willing to kill.
I have a feeling Batman won't really like that.. the mentorship between Bats and Supes could be fun to watch. Lots of different ways they can take this and as a DC fanboi I will give them my money at the theatre. Hell I will pretty much support any comic book based movie, I even gave Marvel my money for that atrocious GoTG, how much worse can it get? Wait actually I liked that was a free screening... but I WOULD have paid to see it even if I knew how bad it was going in.
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