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ken0042 · 09-05-2014, 12:52 PM

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So both Calgary and Edmonton now have reliable and consistent funding for transportation infrastructure projects?

No. Nobody could hold that position for 2 years and correct at least 40 years of others' mistakes. He did however manage to get the SWRR deal done where others had failed in the previous 50 years. I also liked how he handled the construction issues with the SE leg.

It was the SWRR where he showed he was able to look at a problem from a few different sides, and come up with a solution.

Ozy_Flame · 09-05-2014, 12:54 PM

McIver took credit for "killing" the Sky Palace, when in fact, he did no such thing (even according to the Auditor General). Did it at a time when he was announcing his PC candidacy as well. Don't like that brand of politics. Opportunist and truth stretcher.

calgarygeologist · 09-05-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

I was speaking with some people this morning and while it seems like Prentice should win in a landslide, they were shocked at how many "red tories" were voting for McIver. Take that FWIW, which might well be nothing.

I saw Prentice speak in his role as a banker and he really impressive. It might be just the state of politics in the province, or depends on what you are comparing him to, but he was head and shoulders above what the leaders at the time were capable of. Now he wasn't speaking on political issues at that point, and it was a business-friendly crowd, so who knows what you can take from that. All I know is that I was impressed, and that had nothing to do with politics because he wasn't in politics at that point and not running for anything.

I did hear a very favorable report on McIver today as well though. I don't want to divulge where, so I will keep this really broad. Basically they met with him months ago and he didn't know anything about the particular topic. They gave him a lot of information and sources of information. When they met again a couple of months later he was totally educated adn could speak on the topic. Not that they completely agreed, but he had clearly done his homework. Again, maybe thats worth absolutely nothing, but I thought it was interesting.

I expected McIver to win the mayoral election in Calgary but that did not work out. I think he is actually a good politician in that he actually seems to be focused on listening to and meeting the needs of the voters.

I just looked at the donor lists for the three candidates and I am disappointed to see that my MLA was contributing to Lukaszuk's campaign. I really can't stand that guy.

GP_Matt · 09-05-2014, 03:18 PM

I think the voter apathy is by design.
During the last leadership campaign they had a travelling debate that crossed the province holding free and open debates with questions from the floor.
All of the candidates presented differing positions on a variety of topics.
This time the debates are closed to the public and there were only a handful of them. I don't really know much about the positions of any of the candidates and have really only read about their past actions and a few gaffes.

Bunk · 09-05-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I expected McIver to win the mayoral election in Calgary but that did not work out. I think he is actually a good politician in that he actually seems to be focused on listening to and meeting the needs of the voters.

Why he aligned himself with Street Church though is beyond me. That was nuts.

DownInFlames · 09-06-2014, 07:37 PM

Jim Prentice wins in a landslide. I thought McIver would've done better.

calgarygeologist · 09-06-2014, 07:37 PM

So, 2600 votes for Thomas, 2700 for McIver and 18000 for Jim. It will be interesting to see what happens now and if Jim starts to put forward some changes and new ideas.

I wonder how soon the PC party calls for the next election?

cal_guy · 09-06-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So, 2600 votes for Thomas, 2700 for McIver and 18000 for Jim. It will be interesting to see what happens now and if Jim starts to put forward some changes and new ideas.

I wonder how soon the PC party calls for the next election?

Alberta elections are nominally fixed at 4 years after the last one and with a PC majority in legislature there's no reason for a early dissolve.

Jacks · 09-06-2014, 08:10 PM

Total of 23,386 votes, that is pathetically low.

Even though the PC's have a majority Prentice really doesn't have a mandate from the people. He still has to win his seat.

Handsome B. Wonderful · 09-06-2014, 08:15 PM

I wonder how much money they all spent for so few votes.

Jacks · 09-06-2014, 08:17 PM

Just for context:

2006
1st ballot 97,690
2nd ballot 144,289
3rd ballot 103,046

2013
1st ballot 59,359
2nd ballot 78,176 votes

2014
1st ballot 23,386 votes

At that rate the 2017 leadership vote will have about 10,000

Dion · 09-06-2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Total of 23,386 votes, that is pathetically low.

Even though the PC's have a majority Prentice really doesn't have a mandate from the people. He still has to win his seat.

Don't forget the Prentice camp was handing out free PC membership cards to get people to vote. What an embarrassment!

calgarygeologist · 09-06-2014, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

I wonder how much money they all spent for so few votes.

Prentice raised $1.8 million. The other two combined raised around half that amount.

calgarygeologist · 09-06-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cal_guy

Alberta elections are nominally fixed at 4 years after the last one and with a PC majority in legislature there's no reason for a early dissolve.

I just assumed that they might want to call an election earlier in order to get Prentice a seat and also to weed out some unwanted MLAs. A byelection with Jim running for the seat can get him in as well. I wonder if they will try to run him in Redford's previous riding or if they feel that the environment is too toxic even for him?

Slava · 09-06-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Total of 23,386 votes, that is pathetically low.

Even though the PC's have a majority Prentice really doesn't have a mandate from the people. He still has to win his seat.

How many votes in the Wildrose leadership a few years ago? I think people are just bored with politics and apathetic. The percentage of the population who actually has a political membership is incredibly small.

SebC · 09-06-2014, 08:37 PM

I'm kind of sour over this. What a carpetbagger.

Dion · 09-06-2014, 08:43 PM

Poll Question
Will the fortunes of the PC party change with a new leader?

For the better 360(22 %)

For the worse 144(9 %)

It will make no difference 1101(69 %)

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/

troutman · 09-06-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

How many votes in the Wildrose leadership a few years ago? I think people are just bored with politics and apathetic. The percentage of the population who actually has a political membership is incredibly small.

Another drive-by attack at the Wild Rose! Grow up PC Lover.

LanceUppercut · 09-06-2014, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

How many votes in the Wildrose leadership a few years ago? I think people are just bored with politics and apathetic. The percentage of the population who actually has a political membership is incredibly small.

8300 or so in 2009. Let's compare a brand new party with no seats in the legislature with a party that has been in power for 4 decades however.

Jacks · 09-06-2014, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Slava

How many votes in the Wildrose leadership a few years ago?

In the 2009 Wildrose leadership election they had no seats and 7% of the vote, what comparison are you possibly hoping to make here?