Vaccines don't cause autism (duh)

[billybob123]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Okay guys, enough is enough, this is getting ridiculous.

Tuberculosis vaccine is not routinely used in North America. There is considerable dispute in the scientific community as to whether the vaccine (BCG) adequately or even inicidentally protects vaccinees against TB.

Generally North American health authorities don't use the vaccine so that the PPD skin test for TB exposure can be used to determine exposure. Vaccinated people often report positive for these tests.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by billybob123

Tuberculosis vaccine is not routinely used in North America. There is considerable dispute in the scientific community as to whether the vaccine (BCG) adequately or even inicidentally protects vaccinees against TB.

Generally North American health authorities don't use the vaccine so that the PPD skin test for TB exposure can be used to determine exposure. Vaccinated people often report positive for these tests.

I was going to mention. In the states you only need it if you are going for a Greencard (perhaps citizenship as well). It's not a routine vaccination. I got the skin test (tested negative), the vaccine and then another skin test a few days later I believe.

[undercoverbrother]

Sadly, this is news.

Will this finally kill the "debate"?

AcGold, is this good enough for you?


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...llion-children

There is no evidence whatsoever linking the development of autism to childhood vaccines, research from the University of Sydney has shown.
The world-first analysis, published in the journal Vaccine, pooled all available studies on links between autism and vaccines for diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, as well as the MMR shot for measles, mumps and rubella.
The data covered more than 1.25 million children from the US, UK, Japan and Denmark, and found no risk of autism associated with any of the vaccines tested, or the ingredients they contain, including thimerosal and mercury.
“The findings were saying nothing. The odds ratio came up null, null, null. That means there’s no connection,” associate professor Guy Eslick, who led the research, said. “You can’t get better than that.”

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sadly, this is news.

Will this finally kill the "debate"?

AcGold, is this good enough for you?


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...llion-children

Obviously that "study" was performed by so-called doctors who are on the payroll of BIG PHARMA.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sadly, this is news.

Will this finally kill the "debate"?

AcGold, is this good enough for you?


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...llion-children

Sadly this changes nothing. The evidence was good before the meta analysis. The same suspicious invalidations of the data are just as pertinent to this data.

When you don't trust the overwhelming data already, pooling it does nothing

[Itse]

Relevant to the issue, although the article discusses the topic of irrational beliefs more generally.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...paign=20140519

Last month, Brendan Nyhan, a professor of political science at Dartmouth, published the results of a study that he and a team of pediatricians and political scientists had been working on for three years. They had followed a group of almost two thousand parents, all of whom had at least one child under the age of seventeen, to test a simple relationship: Could various pro-vaccination campaigns change parental attitudes toward vaccines?

The goal was to test whether facts, science, emotions, or stories could make people change their minds.

The result was dramatic: a whole lot of nothing. None of the interventions worked. The first leaflet—focussed on a lack of evidence connecting vaccines and autism—seemed to reduce misperceptions about the link, but it did nothing to affect intentions to vaccinate. It even decreased intent among parents who held the most negative attitudes toward vaccines, a phenomenon known as the backfire effect. The other two interventions fared even worse: the images of sick children increased the belief that vaccines cause autism, while the dramatic narrative somehow managed to increase beliefs about the dangers of vaccines. “It’s depressing,” Nyhan said. “We were definitely depressed,” he repeated, after a pause.

[troutman]

Milk does not cause autism (duh):

PETA Embraces Autism Pseudoscience
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...pseudoscience/

It is not accepted that dairy harms the brain or is in any way linked to autism, and the evidence is largely against it.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by troutman

Milk does not cause autism (duh):

PETA Embraces Autism Pseudoscience
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...pseudoscience/

It is not accepted that dairy harms the brain or is in any way linked to autism, and the evidence is largely against it.

Hahahaha oh man, I really hope that catches on.

[troutman]

Watch "Vaccines—Calling the Shots," airing Wednesday, September 10 at 9/8c on PBS. ‪#‎vaccinesNOVA‬

The Autism-Vaccine Myth

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/au...cine-myth.html

The assertion that vaccines could be linked to autism burst onto the international stage with the 1998 publication of a paper in the British journal The Lancet. Sensationalist media coverage of the claim followed. The paper, which suggested a link between the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism, was eventually retracted in 2010. Even before the complete retraction, however, in 2004, ten of the paper’s 13 authors cosigned a partial retraction of its main interpretation.

What was the impact of the alleged vaccine-autism connection?

What the public didn't know in 1998 was that the now-retracted study, which involved just 12 children, would turn out to have some serious flaws—and even to contain apparently falsified data. The 12 years between its publication and its retraction, however, left a lot of time for the unfounded and never-confirmed vaccine-autism link to take hold in the minds of worried parents—and thus for vaccination rates to suffer.

Here are some highlights along the scientific journey the vaccine-autism hypothesis made from its 1998 publication in The Lancet to today. The American Academy of Pediatrics has compiled an expanded list of relevant studies.

The emerging scientific picture of autism is a condition that begins during fetal development, as a result of both genetic and environmental influences.

[Canuck-Hater]

Human Fetal DNA Fragments In Vaccines Are A Possible Cause For Autism – According To This Stanford Scientist

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ord-scientist/

I'm sure this will go over well. Just something to think about.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sadly, this is news.

Will this finally kill the "debate"?

AcGold, is this good enough for you?


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...llion-children

I don't remember saying that it caused optimism.

Also, killing the debate is a terrible idea imo. Shouldn't people be hyper sensitive and scrutinize injections? It's not like there's never been an unsafe practice by the government that was lied about (e.g. thalidomide, cigarettes). A former CDC doctor, William Thompson, just came out saying that there were cover ups in his research about links between autism like features and vaccines.

I'm not saying vaccines cause autism, I'm saying keep doing research. Killing the debate on injections for millions of people is a bad idea, it should be scrutinized. If I go on vacation to somewhere remote I'll get a vaccine over getting whatever foreign diseases are a risk, just saying I should atleast be allowed to have concerns and questions no matter how stupid you think that is.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Human Fetal DNA Fragments In Vaccines Are A Possible Cause For Autism – According To This Stanford Scientist

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ord-scientist/

I'm sure this will go over well. Just something to think about.

Oh god no, not this one again, this is about 5 years old now and is hilariously bad. Good friend covered this back then, tore it a new one in fact.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...vaccines-from/

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I don't remember saying that it caused optimism.

Also, killing the debate is a terrible idea imo. Shouldn't people be hyper sensitive and scrutinize injections? It's not like there's never been an unsafe practice by the government that was lied about (e.g. thalidomide, cigarettes). A former CDC doctor, William Thompson, just came out saying that there were cover ups in his research about links between autism like features and vaccines.

I'm not saying vaccines cause autism, I'm saying keep doing research. Killing the debate on injections for millions of people is a bad idea, it should be scrutinized. If I go on vacation to somewhere remote I'll get a vaccine over getting whatever foreign diseases are a risk, just saying I should atleast be allowed to have concerns and questions no matter how stupid you think that is.

Can you please post some articles regarding Dr William Thompson and his claims?

[firebug]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can you please post some articles regarding Dr William Thompson and his claims?

Six articles from Orac (part of the Science Based Medicine group):

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/tag/william-thompson/

[Knut]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I don't remember saying that it caused optimism.

Also, killing the debate is a terrible idea imo. Shouldn't people be hyper sensitive and scrutinize injections? It's not like there's never been an unsafe practice by the government that was lied about (e.g. thalidomide, cigarettes). A former CDC doctor, William Thompson, just came out saying that there were cover ups in his research about links between autism like features and vaccines.

I'm not saying vaccines cause autism, I'm saying keep doing research. Killing the debate on injections for millions of people is a bad idea, it should be scrutinized. If I go on vacation to somewhere remote I'll get a vaccine over getting whatever foreign diseases are a risk, just saying I should atleast be allowed to have concerns and questions no matter how stupid you think that is.

The research has really started to show Autism signs beginning before Vaccines are even administered. So There is really no need to do any more research on it. Besides, there have a been a tonne of papers that have shown there to be no link, and only 1 (very poor) study (Wakefield) that found a link.

The cover-up story is an interesting one on the surface. Once you dive into it you see it is just another conspiracy theory.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by firebug

Six articles from Orac (part of the Science Based Medicine group):

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/tag/william-thompson/

Thanks, I was hoping that he would finally post some articles...............

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by AcGold

A former CDC doctor, William Thompson, just came out saying that there were cover ups in his research about links between autism like features and vaccines.

If by "former" you mean "current" and by "cover ups" you mean "an omission of a particular instance related to a particular part of the population concerning a particular vaccine in an article he wrote" then yeah, I guess that's kinda close:

My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/201...ne-and-autism/

See, the problem here is that William Thompson says that he left out information in the article that might've been relevant to some people.

No where is a cover up by the CDC suggested, or a suggestion that vaccines cause autism made, but rather that a specific sex of a specific race vaccinated at a specific time with one specific vaccination showed an increased risk.

[To Be Quite Honest]

So I read somewheres that Vaccines cause the Autism... Would anyone care to comment on this news?

[Thor]

I recently debated a friends anti vaxx, a "natural mommy" who thinks clean diet and going outdoors is a sure fire way to avoid these diseases. Neat. Oh and positive thinking.

[lanny9]

Originally Posted by Thor

I recently debated a friends anti vaxx, a "natural mommy" who thinks clean diet and going outdoors is a sure fire way to avoid these diseases. Neat. Oh and positive thinking.

Yeah, if going outside means she lives on Mercury and the sun's radiation kills absolutely everything!

My wife is the director of public health for our health region so she deals with this all the time and as such I hear my share of the proper science behind vaccinations.