Men-only barber shop controversy

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by photon

Which is fine, if that was the case no one would say anything. She wasn't asking for a long hair cut.



Who cares about what you've seen in 10 years, it doesn't matter. This women went to a place that specialized in men's hair cuts to get a specialized men's hair cut.

If she had long hair then that takes a bit longer and not something I am going to do. Just not worth it. An average hair cut for a man with already short hair takes 10-15 minutes. For a woman with long hair who wanted a shorter hair cut it would take much longer.

Like I said I wouldn't touch a man's hair if it was long. either Same rule applies to Women. I have referred countless men to a salon that was close by and they are happy I was honest when I could have did a half ass job and took their money. Why do that when their are much better trained people to cut their hair?

Like it or not, barbers who cut men's hair are trained to cut men with already short hair. I didn't train to cut people with long hair. I'm sure some do and don't mind and have gotten good over the years but I just never felt I needed to.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

If she had long hair then that takes a bit longer and not something I am going to do. Just not worth it. An average hair cut for a man with already short hair takes 10-15 minutes. For a woman with long hair who wanted a shorter hair cut it would take much longer.

Like I said I wouldn't touch a man's hair if it was long. either Same rule applies to Women. I have referred countless men to a salon that was close by and they are happy I was honest when I could have did a half ass job and took their money. Why do that when their are much better trained people to cut their hair?

Like it or not, barbers who cut men's hair are trained to cut men with already short hair. I didn't train to cut people with long hair. I'm sure some do and don't mind and have gotten good over the years but I just never felt I needed to.

Here's a picture of the woman from the CBC. I have no idea if this is a "before" or "after" shot.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskat...aint-1.2751215

[Arya Stark]

If that is a before picture then the barber should have cut it because that is as simple as they come. 2 on the sides with a little fade in.

If her hair was longer then it's not as simple and I can understand why they chose not to cut it.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Surely this isn't the first case where Ragged Ass Barbers have informed female clientele that it's a men's barbershop.

Possibly, but it's not reasonable to expect that she should or even could have known that. It's also not relevant.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

It seems like a bit of a stretch to assume the shop's revenue would skyrocket. From an economics standpoint, yes he's limiting his revenue streams. Are men's hairstyles really popular among women these days though?

I only meant that it's a win-win as he's not gaining in any reasonable way that I can conceive of by refusing her; the economics of it are also irrelevant. That particular hairstyle is apparently, but the popularity of a haircut is also irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

It's not at all possible she may have a persecution complex or BPD? She didn't get the haircut she wanted at an establishment that doesn't normally cater to women.

It's possible but it's also possible the hairstylist is a serial rapist that's never been caught and this is her way to try and disrupt his income so he can't maintain his lifestyle that he uses to draw in his next victim.

"Isn't impossible" is not a reasonable basis to draw conclusions. Her mental state is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Well, if Victoria's secret denies you the right to walk into their store to try on and purchase their products I guess it would deserve a human rights complaint as well.

If it's because I'm a man of course it would. Every man has a right to improve sexy times with their significant others (or themselves I guess) lace and frills. If it's because I was trying to have those sexy times in the store then my human rights complaint would likely fail.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I'm not trying to be mean, honestly. I apologize if it comes across that way.

I really do think insinuating mental problems to random strangers for no good reason (and doing something one doesn't agree with or doesn't understand isn't usually a good reason) is mean.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I had to google it because I know literally nothing about hairstyles, but now that I know what it is, I definitely recall seeing both men and women with this style here in Calgary.

Link? I can't be the only curious one

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Itse

Link? I can't be the only curious one

You can just google "hard part hairstyle". If you've seen recent photos of Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus (and it's impossible to avoid them...believe me, I've tried!), it's essentially their style. It's not surprising that it's now really popular with both men and women since two well-known celebrities have that look.

[Arya Stark]

Rihanna made the short hair style even more popular I believe.

[V]

Originally Posted by Stanathan

When I stare, it's not going to be anything different on my part then when I stare at an attractive muscle car that is in great shape and has a tight paint job that makes its curves look perfect and a hood scoop that squishes the engine out of it.

Good Lord, if that entire post isn't the very definition of objectifying women, I don't know what is. I know it was just a baiting post, but come on.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by photon

I really do think insinuating mental problems to random strangers for no good reason (and doing something one doesn't agree with or doesn't understand isn't usually a good reason) is mean.

Ok, fair enough. I'll leave it at that then.

As an aside, here's another human rights complaint from Saskatoon - http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...n-bus-display/

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Ok, fair enough. I'll leave it at that then.

As an aside, here's another human rights complaint from Saskatoon - http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...n-bus-display/

That one bugs me because it was clearly celebrating the secular holiday of Christmas.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

You can just google "hard part hairstyle". If you've seen recent photos of Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus (and it's impossible to avoid them...believe me, I've tried!), it's essentially their style. It's not surprising that it's now really popular with both men and women since two well-known celebrities have that look.

I thought it was more the Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List haircut than what Bieber has:



Short on the sides, with a hard part on one side and a slicked down comb over to the other side.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The fact she's on Facebook telling people to inundate the barber shop with calls does make her come off as more interested in being a #### disturber. I would hope most people know that businesses can't discriminate in any way, but conscientiously choose to not go. Obviously be curious to see how it shakes down if they actually give her the cut. Does she make a positive post about it?

Otherwise this thread was pretty hilarious. Not sure how it became more about sexism than the actual split of YLYL sexism thread but here we are.

[Devils'Advocate]

Senator CD:
There are stores in the Southern U.S. that want to ban gay people from their establishment claiming "religious freedom". Should a gay person denied service (a) shut the h*ll up or (b) fight the business every way they knew how?

[indes]

Does the shop say women are banned? He's offering a service which is cutting men's hair. I just don't see why everything has to be 100% inclusive to everyone all the time. Should I complain about stores that only sell women's clothes? I'm just not sure this guy isn't being vilified without just cause. Hard to say without knowing exactly what was said and how.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by indes

Does the shop say women are banned? He's offering a service which is cutting men's hair. I just don't see why everything has to be 100% inclusive to everyone all the time. Should I complain about stores that only sell women's clothes? I'm just not sure this guy isn't being vilified without just cause. Hard to say without knowing exactly what was said and how.

She wanted a traditional men's hairstyle that has recently become very popular among women. This particular barbershop publicly advertised that they can do this style. The equivalent analogy would be if you wanted to buy women's cloths because you're transgendered or a transvestite or because you wanted to dress up like a woman for a Halloween party but then the store refused to serve you.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by indes

Does the shop say women are banned? He's offering a service which is cutting men's hair. I just don't see why everything has to be 100% inclusive to everyone all the time. Should I complain about stores that only sell women's clothes? I'm just not sure this guy isn't being vilified without just cause. Hard to say without knowing exactly what was said and how.

No, you should not complain about stores that only sell women's clothes.

Yes, you should complain about stores that only sell women's clothes not allowing you to buy them. If you were so inclined.

Edit: MarchHare beat me to the same point.

The reason that everything has to be 100% inclusive to everyone all the time is because of this damn pesky annoying thing called the charter of rights and freedoms.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Senator CD:
There are stores in the Southern U.S. that want to ban gay people from their establishment claiming "religious freedom". Should a gay person denied service (a) shut the h*ll up or (b) fight the business every way they knew how?

That's why you file the complaint, which she did. Telling people on Facebook to call the barbershop to hound them with reservations is just to piss them off.

[photon]

The worst part is every time I see the thread I read quartet instead of controversy.

[jonesy]

the most intriguing thing for me out of all this is, are there really haircuts that are illegal for untrained people to attempt?
Someone took time to get a law in place for and make it illegal for just anyone to do?

[jonesy]

I absolutely cannot give you that haircut, only a select few of our secret 7th level haircutters are allowed and they must first demonstrate the ability to cut a blowfish. I will be charged under the law.

If even half real, that must be one heck of a dangerous haircut style.