Massive load of celeb pictures leaked

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Burninator

So online banking is stupid and you don't do it?

I still do it, knowing full well that my information could get hacked one day. Hackers steal financial information all the time. I change my passwords up every so often in order to mitigate as much risk as possible.

No online system is perfect, not even from solid banking institutions. It's the risk you take by doing your banking online.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Holy hell, I'm going to see if I can make this simple for you. You seem to be arguing that these celebrities took an unnecessary risk for the purposes of entertainment/intimacy that ended with a negative result, therefore they are partially to blame. Do you realize how insane that sounds when applied to virtually every recreational activity in life? I was playing soccer a couple of months ago and ended up with a concussion, after getting elbowed in the head by some dirty, cheap, piece of crap. Now, to me it's obvious who is to blame here. However, by your logic, if I didn't want a concussion, I shouldn't have been playing soccer.

Here's the thing; your analogy is shortsighted. Intelligent people learn from the actions of others and the risk of getting a concussion in soccer is not the same as getting your phone hacked if you're a celebrity.

Time and time again it has happened to celebrities, this isn't new so your analogy is illogical. It's proven to be high risk taking images on phones, if this was the first time it had happened you would have an argument but it's not. That's the difference and the reason why all these analogies are so awful. It's not an unforeseeable accident and claiming victim blaming when reality has proven the risk over and over is false. They aren't to blame but they should recognise that phones are not secure at all. As it is all you really have is irrational analogies and personal attacks. I'm saying they took a risk not thinking it was one, the by your logic argument is false and just way off base

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Here's the thing; your analogy is shortsighted. Intelligent people learn from the actions of others and the risk of getting a concussion in soccer is not the same as getting your phone hacked if you're a celebrity.

Time and time again it has happened to celebrities, this isn't new so your analogy is illogical. It's proven to be high risk taking images on phones, if this was the first time it had happened you would have an argument but it's not. That's the difference and the reason why all these analogies are so awful. It's not an unforeseeable accident and claiming victim blaming when reality has proven the risk over and over is false. They aren't to blame but they should recognise that phones are not secure at all. As it is all you really have is irrational analogies and personal attacks. I'm saying they took a risk not thinking it was one, the by your logic argument is false and just way off base

Hold on, did you actually just say getting your phone hacked as a celebrity is a more likely occurrence than getting a concussion while playing soccer? And somehow I'm the illogical one?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Also it's my fault if my money gets stolen even I have a good password? Even if the hackers find a back door? It's all my fault because it's online? Give me a break.

Quit being a drama queen. The fault here lies with the hackers. However, you expose yourself to information theft all the time if you use digital devices; these devices have been exposed to hacking for decades already. This should be of breaking news to, a grand total of nobody.

In case you're wondering, I do feel sorry for these celebrities. I really do. But this situation really is unsurprising.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Muta

Quit being a drama queen.

lol wut?

In case you're wondering, I do feel sorry for these celebrities. I really do. But this situation really is unsurprising.

I believe you. I really do.

Originally Posted by Muta

That said, I'm not complaining right now.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hold on, did you actually just say getting your phone hacked as a celebrity is a more likely occurrence than getting a concussion while playing soccer? And somehow I'm the illogical one?

Well first of all you need to calm down. Now you're trying to put words in my mouth. It depends on the circumstances. Different leagues and divisions have different rates of injury obviously. You're making blanket statements and personal attacks. I played for 11 years and didn't see a single concussion so the occurrence rate was zero in all of the leagues I played. You're thinking emotionally, at a personal level and making blanket accusations. Not really how to think critically, if you're playing in a league with a lot of concussions you better not be surprised if it happens.

The oh now I can't ....... is what you're saying argument is seriously childish. Think more, react less, tone down the histrionics.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Holy hell, I'm going to see if I can make this simple for you. You seem to be arguing that these celebrities took an unnecessary risk for the purposes of entertainment/intimacy that ended with a negative result, therefore they are partially to blame. Do you realize how insane that sounds when applied to virtually every recreational activity in life? I was playing soccer a couple of months ago and ended up with a concussion, after getting elbowed in the head by some dirty, cheap, piece of crap. Now, to me it's obvious who is to blame here. However, by your logic, if I didn't want a concussion, I shouldn't have been playing soccer.

In isn't inane though. Many people quit playing contact sports as adults because the risk of injury is too high. Many people accept those risk. I don't think anyone is saying they took an unneccessary risk. I think people are saying that if you take a risk evaluate the consequences of the risk regardless of anyone elses behaviour.

And yes in your example the dirty play was to blame however if the risk of concussion which you were aware of when you began the activity were acceptable you can't just blame the guy who did the dirty play. You were active in the decision to put yourself at risk. And only you can evaluate if that risk is worth the benefits.

In general people underestimate risk and over estimate benefits making people very poor at risk based decision making.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Muta

Quit being a drama queen. The fault here lies with the hackers. However, you expose yourself to information theft all the time if you use digital devices; these devices have been exposed to hacking for decades already. This should be of breaking news to, a grand total of nobody.



In case you're wondering, I do feel sorry for these celebrities. I really do. But this situation really is unsurprising.

I would agree that there is a very real risk in doing any business electronically, whether it be personal or otherwise.

That said, the narrative some people are after that this is some how the fault of the victims is ridiculous and disgusting. Again, it's akin to blaming someone who got hit by a drunk driver because they too were on the road. It's not something any normal human being would do, and while you run a risk of getting harmed just by being alive, that doesn't make it your fault.

Victim blaming is just putrid in general, and something that most people only have the guts to do behind a keyboard. It's not something you would ever say to someone's face.

Not as putrid as enjoying the personal pictures of these people, but "boys will be boys!" I suppose (tongue firmly in cheek).

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Burninator

lol wut?

I believe you. I really do.

You're like the guy that won't attend a party at a buddy's house because his parents are away and might not know about it.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

i can see a bit of blaming the victim here.

I don't have any nude photos of myself, anywhere, period.

Exactly.

I told my wife that under no circumstances should she ever allow myself or anyone else take a nude photo of her, because it could end up anywhere.

Of course, I quickly appended that with "If you are ever involved sexually with another woman, I would like a full photo/video account of the incident."

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Well first of all you need to calm down. Now you're trying to put words in my mouth. It depends on the circumstances. Different leagues and divisions have different rates of injury obviously. You're making blanket statements and personal attacks. I played for 11 years and didn't see a single concussion so the occurrence rate was zero in all of the leagues I played. You're thinking emotionally, at a personal level and making blanket accusations. Not really how to think critically, if you're playing in a league with a lot of concussions you better not be surprised if it happens.

The oh now I can't ....... is what you're saying argument is seriously childish. Think more, react less, tone down the histrionics.

Well if we want to talk about critical thinking and logic, your first response to me was a complete straw man argument. It doesn't have to be concussions. It can be any injury caused by dirty or reckless play. People get injured at every level of soccer, all the time because of dirty and reckless play, so is your argument for someone who gets injured due to one of these plays, "Well you knew the risks, so it's partially your fault?"

Every NHL player knows that Matt Cooke is a cheapshot artist, does that mean that players shouldn't take their shifts when they know he's on the ice?

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well if we want to talk about critical thinking and logic, your first response to me was a complete straw man argument. It doesn't have to be concussions. It can be any injury caused by dirty or reckless play. People get injured at every level of soccer, all the time because of dirty and reckless play, so is your argument for someone who gets injured due to one of these plays, "Well you knew the risks, so it's partially your fault?"

Every NHL player knows that Matt Cooke is a cheapshot artist, does that mean that players shouldn't take their shifts when they know he's on the ice?

Where did I say fault? Where? Again putting words in my mouth

And the same does that mean he shouldn't......because...

No. That's not what anyone is saying

[Muta]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Every NHL player knows that Matt Cooke is a cheapshot artist, does that mean that players shouldn't take their shifts when they know he's on the ice?

If you get caught with your head down, and Cooke levels you, is that all Cooke's fault? You should have seen him coming, you knew the environment you were playing in, regardless of whether it was a legal hit or not.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Muta

I still do it, knowing full well that my information could get hacked one day. Hackers steal financial information all the time. I change my passwords up every so often in order to mitigate as much risk as possible.

No online system is perfect, not even from solid banking institutions. It's the risk you take by doing your banking online.

100% agree with this. Although I disagree that using online banking is comparable to this incident.

It is very easy for someone to not understand that when they take a picture on their phone, it can be upload to the internet if the correct settings are in place on the device. It is also easy for someone to not understand the access that could be obtained to those photos by simply breaking their password, because you can't log into a web portal and view your pictures, or simply download them with a click of a mouse. They magically show up in a folder on your computer, if iTunes is installed. This is designed this way so people who don't understand technology don't have any barriers. Most people don't even know how to take pictures off their own phones, let alone having a grasp that people on the internet could access those pictures in ANY way.

You would have to be a whole new level of stupid to not realize that there is online access to your bank account if you use online banking.

[To Be Quite Honest]

When this news came out I will admit I was intrigued. I've always thought that Kaley Cuoco was adorable and I had never heard of 4chan and I went there. Two minutes later I left. That place is a pit. It was gross. It's a lot different if they chose to pose in playboy than having there private pictures stolen.

I have a friend who, just a few months ago, not just posted one video showing her masturbating, but double posted, it on facebook. At first I was in disbelief. "Is that? No it can't be. Oh my god it is." I felt terrible for her, and I was also a bit angry, because of the younger audiences that are connected to my network and hers. I'm quite sure she didn't mean to and I'm sure she was mortified when she figured out that she had done it, but she pointed a camera at herself in a xxx way. That in itself isn't the problem at all, the problem was where it ended up. I don't want to believe she did uploaded it purposefully so I will say it was by accident.

We all need to understand our equipment and, if we use them, how they work. (Phrasing!) The technology of today is far more sophisticated and accessible and, for some, too complex. I don't know many people who truly understand their devices and what they do and there really isn't a lot of tools out there to train people. I try to understand because I enjoy the tech and I enjoy taking the time to see how it works. There is a responsibility there. If your going to use something you must understand how it works, at least at the fundamental level. Dropbox automatically syncs my phone pictures to my photo box, and for me that wasn't cool, and I know that if I take a picture or a video it will be crossing paths with the KFC and Coke recipes through the cloud. No matter how secure somebody says their tech is it will be accessed at some point. I would like to think that in some way our photos are touching ... Kaley Cuoco...

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Muta

You're like the guy that won't attend a party at a buddy's house because his parents are away and might not know about it.

Wow. What is your problem?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Muta

If you get caught with your head down, and Cooke levels you, is that all Cooke's fault? You should have seen him coming, you knew the environment you were playing in, regardless of whether it was a legal hit or not.

What was the point of adding that as stipulation? The safest bet isn't to keep my head up, as that guy's been known to drill people from behind, too. The safest is not to lace up at all. Really from that point on, I'm to blame, according to your standards.

[photon]

Re: online banking, BMO requires an absurdly short password. They MUST be six characters long. I'm shocked that they don't have a serious problem.

[bubbsy]

wow this thread went all over the place...

Having personal information, assumed to be privately/securly stored being hacked and made available to the public is terrible -> I imagine everyone on the thread agrees to this.

Online security has been a risk since the beginning, and it slowly pokes its ugly head in every technology, storage mechanism, and interface possible.

It seems almost obvious to NOT store naked pictures of yourself, loved ones, ex's, etc, anywhere, since no where is really safe. the only way to do so, would be if you had a non-digital camera and a photo development room in your basement.

Not sure anyone is laying "blame" towards the victims here; no one has the right to have their personal things stolen and passed on to others without their full permission. However, think a general rule of thumb exists (or should exist) not to save/store, maybe even take, such images, unless you are ok with the possibility of a breach, as in htis day and age, it is an unfortunate reality (especially if you're a celebrity).

[Muta]

Originally Posted by rubecube

What was the point of adding that as stipulation? The safest bet isn't to keep my head up, as that guy's been known to drill people from behind, too. The safest is not to lace up at all. Really from that point on, I'm to blame, according to your standards.

Huh? If you get on the ice, you should know that you could get hit if you let your guard down for even a split second. You take the risks playing the game.

If you use digital devices, you're playing that game whether you know it or not. Account hacking isn't revolutionary news in any way, shape or form.