[News] Yahoo sports blogger (Harrison Monney) fired over social media impropriety

[getbak]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Seems to be something that could have been dealt with with a "please don't" and a click of the ignore button. But I don't have the entire story so it's tough to have too strong of an opinion. Not that it will stop some.

It looks like at least one woman tried that, and it didn't work. This is from the link Mike F posted yesterday: https://twitter.com/wraparoundcurl/s...43461719973888




The date on that is November 14, 2013. This story seemed to come to a head on August 14, 2014...A full nine months later.

As the woman who posted that said, there was no sarcasm in her message to detect. She flat out says "Never do that to another human being ever again." Somehow, he took that as a joke.



If there's a lesson to be learned from this, by all of us, it's to behave on social media the same way you would behave face-to-face with people. Twitter isn't Tinder. If your Twitter account is linked to your profession, then you should act professionally on Twitter.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

I see what you're saying in a way, but it's definitely inappropriate. Would you randomly ask a female co-worker to make out with her? Comment on her appearance in a sexually suggestive way?

I wouldn't. But that's because of social anxiety and fear of consequences. I don't think it would be immoral, or a violation of anyone's rights.

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

Women actually do have a right not to listen to sexual advances and propositions from men whom they do not have a sexual relationship with, just so you know.

Can't have sex without asking, can't ask without having had sex? This makes no sense.

If you want to live in a society where people choose their partners based on mutual consent, then propositioning is necessary to make that work. Sometimes, you won't like the person who propositions you, because we aren't a society of mind readers.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Calling the guy a predator seems a bit strong.

The time-line suggests something going on from November to August. About 10 months of unwanted attention and harassment. If that's the case, what would you call it? How is the lady supposed to see this?

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by SebC

I wouldn't. But that's because of social anxiety and fear of consequences. I don't think it would be immoral, or a violation of anyone's rights.

Can't have sex without asking, can't ask without having had sex? This makes no sense.

If you want to live in a society where people choose their partners based on mutual consent, then propositioning is necessary to make that work. Sometimes, you won't like the person who propositions you, because we aren't a society of mind readers.

We both know that's not how things work for human beings. You build relationships with people, and at varying speeds they become sexual. Relationships just don't magically become sexual because you ask for sex. If you can't pick up on signs, then that makes it more difficult, but no, you shouldn't just be propositioning women at random. This isn't, "Hey, would you like to go for a drink?" this is "Hey, you've got great lips, would you like me to put my tongue in your mouth?". The difference is obvious. One is totally alright, one is sexual harassment (when there is no relationship that indicates that comment would be acceptable).

If you think a good "feeling out" process for people of the opposite sex is to ask them if they want to make out or have sex, then I can't help you with that one.

I'm not saying Mooney was a bad dude. Just... not very good at interacting with female human beings apparently, to an uncomfortable and boundary breaking extent.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

If you think a good "feeling out" process for people of the opposite sex is to ask them if they want to make out or have sex, then I can't help you with that one.

This isn't about me.

This is about making the points that this kind of vilification is counter-productive to building a culture of consent, and that "need consent to get consent" creates an infinite loop where nobody gets laid.

Reminds me of elevatorgate situation, and I was making the same points then.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by SebC

This isn't about me.

This is about making the points that this kind of vilification is counter-productive to building a culture of consent, and that "need consent to get consent" creates an infinite loop where nobody gets laid.

Reminds me of elevatorgate situation, and I was making the same points then.

My point is there is a distinct difference between asking someone to make out and making repeated physical advances even after being turned down, and asking someone out for coffee.

If you want to think they're the same, that's on you. That's all I really have to say about it.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

My point is there is a distinct difference between asking someone to make out and making repeated physical advances even after being turned down, and asking someone out for coffee.

How does one make a "physical advance" over Twitter?

[Resolute 14]

Ask Mooney.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by SebC

How does one make a "physical advance" over Twitter?

His harassment was not limited to twitter. Read the thread.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by SebC

This isn't about me.

This is about making the points that this kind of vilification is counter-productive to building a culture of consent, and that "need consent to get consent" creates an infinite loop where nobody gets laid.

Reminds me of elevatorgate situation, and I was making the same points then.

Did you read this before you posted it? You absolutely need consent to get consent! If you think it is appropriate to approach random women with uninvited propositions in the hopes one will say yes so you can "get laid" you are part of the problem.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by the2bears

The time-line suggests something going on from November to August. About 10 months of unwanted attention and harassment. If that's the case, what would you call it? How is the lady supposed to see this?

The only odd thing for me is you can prevent Direct Messages from someone by simply unfollowing them.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

The only odd thing for me is you can prevent Direct Messages from someone by simply unfollowing them.

The storify link appears to show each one from a different user, not all one person that Mooney was talking to.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by SebC

The problem I have with these type of stories is they treat propositioning someone as an assault - and it isn't. There is no right to not be hit on. This guy is asking for consent (albeit ineffectively) and being vilified for it.

Originally Posted by SebC

This is about making the points that this kind of vilification is counter-productive to building a culture of consent, and that "need consent to get consent" creates an infinite loop where nobody gets laid.

Unwanted propositions are equivalent to a verbal assault. Period.
There is a right "not to be hit on" - it's known as "quiet enjoyment" among other types of terms.
There is no right to get laid.

Let's reverse the situation. I'm going to assume, SebC that you are a straight guy. You are in West Van and some dude hits on you because he "likes your lips". Do you like that?

Let's now assume that this happens more often than you care to remember, or put up with, maybe several times a day. Every day. Every week. Every month. Just because you're a guy living in a gay area of Van.

Rather like a woman living in a sea of men. Get it?


Yes, there is a way to "get laid". It's with dignity and respect, not cheesy lines and sleazy innuendo. And when done properly, it's not a verbal assault or sexual harassment.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Let's reverse the situation. I'm going to assume, SebC that you are a straight guy. You are in West Van and some dude hits on you because he "likes your lips". Do you like that?

I'm fine with it. It's not like I'm sitting there with a sign that says "I'm not gay, don't talk to me".

Here's how that conversation goes:

"Hey, I like your lips"

"Hey man, thanks - but I'm not gay, have a swell day"

Conversation ends.

If the conversation doesn't end, then you have a case to lay claim to aggressive inappropriate behaviour. Flirting happens every day, to both genders. How you react to it goes a long way - but yes, of course there are people who will step over the line, at which point make a big deal out of it all you want.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

No. Flirting is not allowed anymore. It's 2014, so it's sexual harassment now. Unless you're a woman then it's okay because women can't be sexist. Did you not get the memo?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by SebC

I wouldn't. But that's because of social anxiety and fear of consequences. I don't think it would be immoral, or a violation of anyone's rights.

Can't have sex without asking, can't ask without having had sex? This makes no sense.

If you want to live in a society where people choose their partners based on mutual consent, then propositioning is necessary to make that work. Sometimes, you won't like the person who propositions you, because we aren't a society of mind readers.

I once worked under a store manager who thought that way and got fired for sexual harassement. His female employees didn't appreciate his comments.