Massive load of celeb pictures leaked

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The hackers need to dig around for some Genie Bouchard images.

Disgusting post.

[Resolute 14]

The cloud is part of the internet, and the first rule of the internet is that the only way to guarantee it won't be shared is to keep it the F off the internet. As has been noted, however, many manufacturers (*cough*Apple*cough*) are setting your phones and tablets to cloud storage by default. Famous people are likely just as ignorant of this, on average, as the people on this forum are. These are all the lessons to be learned, however one can only hope that the people who stole those photos get caught and spend many years in jail. One of the stories I read about this noted that the one of the last ones who got caught hacking and leaking nudes from a celebrity got 10 years.

[djsFlames]

Loving how puntastic this thread is.

[Righteous1]

Pics or gtfo!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The cloud is part of the internet, and the first rule of the internet is that the only way to guarantee it won't be shared is to keep it the F off the internet. As has been noted, however, many manufacturers (*cough*Apple*cough*) are setting your phones and tablets to cloud storage by default.

Even Google was doing this on my new phone when I first got it. I was more pissed off because they were backing up pictures to the cloud even when I wasn't on WiFi and costing me data charges. But yeah, I mean I think I have personal pics that aren't nudes or anything that I'm sure I wouldn't want getting into the hands of the wrong people. So brb, going to delete everything on my photobucket account.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Gotta love victim blaming.

Don't want to be killed by a drunk driver? Stay off the streets.

Don't want to get robbed? Stop carrying money.

Disagree, people don't get drunk and actively try and run people over. People don't carry money and wave it around.

It's not really victim blaming, more like victim questioning. In the sense that we have to question their reasoning for taking these images. They have to know that the images are highly sought after and that online databases are not secure.

It's more like someone goes to an ATM and takes out cash, puts it in their back pocket and it's dangling out. Yes of course it's wrong to take it but you have to wonder why they would let it be so easy to take, be more proactive in life. Don't wave cash around and don't take nude pictures of yourself and store them online if you're famous because it's been proven time and time again they are easy to hack into.

The analogy you presented is like a women wears provocative clothing and gets abused and gets blamed which would be silly. The correct analogy is a women wears provocative clothing and gets stared at. Even if the staring is inappropriate you'd have to except the high likelihood of it happening. Don't park an expensive car in the ghetto, don't dangle cash out your back pocket and don't put nude photos online.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's not really victim blaming, more like victim questioning. In the sense that we have to question their reasoning for taking these images.

Do we, though?

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Codes

Do we, though?

Yeah, their publicists should have warned them don't take nude photos on their phones. It's potentially damaging to their career and has a high likelihood of being hacked. Get an actual camera and keep the images 100% offline if they want to do nude selfies.

The exact reason to question is because something like this happened and it's probably the end of nude selfies on phones from celebs because they have to have learned the lesson.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by GGG

I go back to the what would I tell my daughter to do question. The answer is if you take a naked picture of yourself and send it to anyone it will get out. So consider the consequences before you do it.



You are right that this kind of thing shouldnt happen but it does so the onus is on the individual to protect themselves given this isnt the first or the last time these types of photos will be stolen. Even without the cloud aspect, the phone or computer its on physically could be stolen. So it isnt a question of technical knowledge just a question of time to when the pictures will get out.

It was in cloud storage. There was no evidence it was ever sent to anyone, but rather (a very likely scenario) it was simply on their computer or phone, and had cloud sync on. This isn't a matter of them sending photos and that party throwing them out there for the world to see.

Again, you can't be blaming the victim with this "it's a matter of time!" nonsense. It's silly. It's akin to blaming a girl for getting raped because she walks alone. "Well gee, it wasn't an if, it was a when!" That's a no-go.

How does your post sound if you change it to something more damaging, but still an abuse of a vulnerable woman?

Originally Posted by GGG

I go back to the what would I tell my daughter to do question. The answer is if you walk alone at night you're going to get raped. So consider the consequences before you do it.



You are right that this kind of thing (rape) shouldnt happen but it does so the onus is on the individual to protect themselves given this isnt the first or the last time a girl has been raped. Even without the walking alone aspect, some girls are asking for it whether they know it or not. So it isnt a question of safety just a question of time to when that girl was going to get raped.

Kind of awful right? Still feel the same? You can justify it with "well it's not as bad as rape" if you want, but these are the personal pictures of people in a vulnerable, private state, taken from their personal computers without their permission. It's a pretty gross thing to blame the victim for.

[AcGold]

If a women walks down an alley where rapes often occur and she willingly goes there can we atleast ask why?

If a celebrity takes nude selfies, when time and time again celebs have had their phones hacked can we atleast ask why? There's victim blaming and then there's common sense. Morally it was wrong to hack the photos, rationally it was illogical to take them.

I will disagree with him that women are asking for it, they are more acting naively thinking there is no danger when there is.

[photon]

The hack apparently was simply a dictionary password attack against their accounts. If so Apple holds some responsibility since a good idea to a service is to disallow (or better notify) the account holder after x number failed login attempts. Or at least have the login attempts take up a reasonable amount of time (say 500ms) so you can only try a few times a second, making a brute force or dictionary attack nearly useless. Every system I've coded for years has a password hashing scheme which uses enough resources to take hundreds of ms at least.

Originally Posted by AcGold

Get an actual camera and keep the images 100% offline if they want to do nude selfies.

And someone steals them by breaking into their house. There's no such thing as 100% security, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to have to behave in drastically different ways or not do things that lots of other people do just because they're more famous than others. The problem is with society, not with the people.

Speaking of problem with society, why is it damaging to these actresses's careers if their nude photos get out (or by extension any women who is supposed to fear for her professional career if a nude photo gets out on the Internet), but I don't hear anyone saying Justin Verlander's career is in jeopardy. I've only seen praise for him ("good catch"), or suggestions of ribbing in the locker room.

It's just pictures of naked people, what's the big deal. Society's response should be a giggle then move on, then if/when it does happen it isn't such an invasion and damaging.

[photon]

Originally Posted by AcGold

If a women walks down an alley where rapes often occur and she willingly goes there can we atleast ask why?

You can ask, but you can also ask why someone was wearing flammable clothing if they didn't want to be set on fire. Just because a question can be asked doesn't mean the question is the right one to ask.

Instead of teaching people how not to get raped, we should be teaching people not to rape.

EDIT: Because it's funny:

[AcGold]

Except you can't stop people from raping or hacking into phones. It's not in reality so it's a moot point, talking as if ideals should mirror reality when it's impossible is illogical. It's better to focus on the controllable and not the ideals that can never be met and an inability to discern the two leads to ineffective behaviour.

[DownhillGoat]

nm

[Mike F]

I don't have a daughter, but I have a 20 yr old niece, and one of the things I've tried to impress on her is for her to take responsibility for her own safety.

A young woman who wears revealing clothing and walks alone through an unlit area at night certainly doesn't deserve to get raped, but she is being stupid in putting herself at risk. And if I see such a story on the news, you can bet I'm going to point it out to my niece and say, "This is a prime example of why you have to take care", without feeling like I'm blaming the victim.

In the case of these pictures, there's a long history of cell phone photos of young women, famous or not, being published on the internet by hackers or jilted lovers. You don't have to be a tech nerd to know this; anyone who follows entertainment news will be familiar with leaked sex tapes and photos. I guarantee every celeb whose photos were just published knows who Paris Hilton is, and why she became famous.

Does that mean they deserved to have their privacy invaded? No.

However, is this a prime example we can point to and say, "Take some personal responsibility, people! If you don't want photos of yourself on the internet, don't take them!"? Yes.

[Slava]

I think that part of the reason that some people don't see this as that bad is because some celebrities release these things somewhat knowingly to boost their careers. That's clearly not what happened here (and it's completely wrong here as well), but those kinds of events probably make these hacks somehow more accepted.

[photon]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Except you can't stop people from raping or hacking into phones.

Unless you're suggesting that the rate of rapes is invariant between different societies, or that the rate of hacking is the same between different platforms, sure you can as is demonstrated by varying degrees of success across geographic and sociological areas or phone platforms. Both are completely physically possible. Maybe what you mean is society isn't willing to do either (and the hacking phones part will improve over time as we eventually move away from passwords and other weak security mechanisms to things far better) because of resources or whatever reason.

Of course take appropriate precautions, I didn't say not to, I said that the question isn't the right one to ask, and after someone's been victimized is definitely not the time to ask it.

The focus should be on the problem, not the victim.

[GirlySports]

I see both sides but a person just has to be responsible.

This is why you guys still haven't seen Jessica Alba naked.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

It was in cloud storage. There was no evidence it was ever sent to anyone, but rather (a very likely scenario) it was simply on their computer or phone, and had cloud sync on. This isn't a matter of them sending photos and that party throwing them out there for the world to see.

Again, you can't be blaming the victim with this "it's a matter of time!" nonsense. It's silly. It's akin to blaming a girl for getting raped because she walks alone. "Well gee, it wasn't an if, it was a when!" That's a no-go.

How does your post sound if you change it to something more damaging, but still an abuse of a vulnerable woman?



Kind of awful right? Still feel the same? You can justify it with "well it's not as bad as rape" if you want, but these are the personal pictures of people in a vulnerable, private state, taken from their personal computers without their permission. It's a pretty gross thing to blame the victim for.

NOPE, IN THE CASE OF RAPE WEARING PROMISCUIOUS CLOTHING HAS LITTLE IF ANY CORRELATION WITH BEING RAPED. IT IS NOT GOOD ADVICE TO SAY DONT DRESS PROVOCATIVELY TO PREVENT RAPE. GO SEE ANY OF THE RAPE THREADS TO LINKS TO STUDY's. WALKING ALONE HAS LITTLE CORRELATION TO BEING RAPED AS MOST RAPES ARE DONE BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO THE VICTIM

Hence that is victim blaming.

In this case there is a fool proof way not to have your pictures exposed and that is not to take them in the first place. So if the end result of pictures being put online is unacceptable to you then don't take the pictures.

One thing getting lost in this discussion is that the most important result of this is that none of these women should have this event affect their careers. The real problem in society is that this is a big deal that could harm careers or the perception of these women. Its the slut shaming aspect of this that is a problem not people saying well if you didn't want them to get out you shouldn't have taken them.

This whole situation is akin to the US government being surprised when information of their spy programs gets leaked. It was going to happen. Nothing is secret once it is in a computer.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Disagree, people don't get drunk and actively try and run people over. People don't carry money and wave it around.

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It's more like someone goes to an ATM and takes out cash, puts it in their back pocket and it's dangling out. Yes of course it's wrong to take it but you have to wonder why they would let it be so easy to take, be more proactive in life. Don't wave cash around and don't take nude pictures of yourself and store them online if you're famous because it's been proven time and time again they are easy to hack into.

The analogy you presented is like a women wears provocative clothing and gets abused and gets blamed which would be silly. The correct analogy is a women wears provocative clothing and gets stared at. Even if the staring is inappropriate you'd have to except the high likelihood of it happening. Don't park an expensive car in the ghetto, don't dangle cash out your back pocket and don't put nude photos online.

Notwithstanding my comment above, using a private, albeit online, storage service is not remotely close to flashing money around. Your analogy is completely invalid. A more accurate analogy would be to compare using a cloud service to keeping a large stack of cash out of sight in your home. In both cases, someone has to break in to (a) confirm it exists and (b) steal it.

In short, your attempt at rationalizing your argument is most certainly victim blaming.