I hear you. But there was nothing in that tweet bad enough to get a guy fired, let alone make the news.
I agree, and in these types of stories I hate how only one side usually gets told and anybody that questions the story is labelled a horrible sexist. (The Stephen A. Smith thing, for example)
However in this case I'm pretty certain there was a lot more to it than the single tweet, in which case his punishment is deserved
Because that's how it reads to me, and it bugs me a little. If she was being harassed by the guy then that blows, but it reads like she's saying every woman deals with this and that it's only hockey fans that do it.
And you would know better than a female hockey writer what women in hockey journalism experience? How is that exactly?
She's giving an account of her experience and you feel insulted that it happened? If someone is talking about being run over by a drunk driver would you get upset because you're a motorist and have never done anything like that?
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A bit more context (but for some reason, not a full picture) here.
Well, there's definitely more to this story than can be derived from the information in the linked pages. I was trying to comprehend what the big deal was in relation to this one tweet, but it only makes sense if there's more of a back story to it. Otherwise I don't see how anyone gets fired for that.
I guess there's a bunch more fodder out there that contextualizes this.
Because that's how it reads to me, and it bugs me a little. If she was being harassed by the guy then that blows, but it reads like she's saying every woman deals with this and that it's only hockey fans that do it.
Good god. How did you ever get that from reading her bit posted above?
No, she did not say that every woman deals with sexual harassment in hockey. What she said that it was frequent, that she has been the unwilling recipient of advances from two other hockey writers, and that she knows of other women in the industry who have reported similar experiences. She does NOT ONCE say anything to indicate that "it's only hockey fans that do it." What she says is that it is a problem in hockey, but then she is only EVER speaking about hockey, and never once draws any comparisons with other sports or businesses. She says that—from her extensive experience—"being a hockey fan online isn't a safe space for women." How strange that you should interpret from this that all female hockey fans are sexually harassed online, and that it is only systemically related to hockey.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
It took so few messages for people to start condoning the blogger's actions. That's sad. Would you want someone talking like that to your daughter? If no, then it's not OK.
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... what kind of an idiot thinks that's a good way to get laid?
That said, everything about this is sad.
Assuming Mooney's apology is sincere and the messages are of the type shown here (meaning, mostly harmless, but clearly suggestive), he basically gets labeled as a sexual harasser when a better label would probably be "lonely and does not understand internet".
It's also a shame that women get harassed so much that such an ultimately harmless (seeming) guy manages to cross a line with them.
But since you can't ask women to put up with more, really the only thing to do is punish the socially awkward guy in this case.
That said, that kind of makes me question did anybody do anything more constructive before this, like dropping Mooney a private message and explaining to him that his behavior is inappropriate and telling him to please stop?
Of course it's not anybody's responsibility to teach others how to not be creeps. But I think it'd save the world a lot of grief if people took more time to explain things to socially inept people.
(Of course for all I know maybe he was given a chance. I don't know.)
As I said, sad all around.
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Well, there's definitely more to this story than can be derived from the information in the linked pages. I was trying to comprehend what the big deal was in relation to this one tweet, but it only makes sense if there's more of a back story to it. Otherwise I don't see how anyone gets fired for that.
I guess there's a bunch more fodder out there that contextualizes this.
I was following along a bit on Twitter when Wyshnyski announced Mooney's dismissal, and my impression is that this was neither an isolated incident, nor was there only one person he... propositioned. Mooney even alludes to this himself in his apology.
Ultimately, this stands as yet another reminder that if you are a professional, you need to conduct yourself professionally. Mooney failed that, and lost his position with Yahoo as a result.
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I was following along a bit on Twitter when Wyshnyski announced Mooney's dismissal, and my impression is that this was neither an isolated incident, nor was there only one person he... propositioned. Mooney even alludes to this himself in his apology.
Ultimately, this stands as yet another reminder that if you are a professional, you need to conduct yourself professionally. Mooney failed that, and lost his position with Yahoo as a result.
That, and that one "tweet" was actually a direct message, not a tweet. That means he must have meant it more and not as a joke for others to enjoy
I personally think that for this specific case, the right thing to do is to politely inform him the first time that his actions are inappropriate, and bring it to attention if it happens again. But I don't know if she did that or not, obviously it's completely unprofessional what he did, but it seems like he's coming more from a socially awkward place rather than intentionally harassing her.
I believe the guy should have been fired and all as it's obvious he's been a total sleaze. I guess the thing that I have to wonder is she kind of makes it out to be like this is an NHL issue with hockey writers and that hockey isn't a safe place for women. I know the Kings have had a female beat writer for years and while it's not very common I don't see it being overly prevalent in the other major sports where females are covering teams. The whole think puts the NHL in a bad light and hopefully some light is shed on this if in fact it's more isolated to the NHL.
It is disturbing to me how many presumably male posters in this thread believe that their definition of sexual harassment is in any way relevant.
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I personally think that for this specific case, the right thing to do is to politely inform him the first time that his actions are inappropriate, and bring it to attention if it happens again. But I don't know if she did that or not, obviously it's completely unprofessional what he did, but it seems like he's coming more from a socially awkward place rather than intentionally harassing her.
Yeah, why didn't the chick was being harassed do more to get the dude to stop harassing her?
I believe the guy should have been fired and all as it's obvious he's been a total sleaze. I guess the thing that I have to wonder is she kind of makes it out to be like this is an NHL issue with hockey writers and that hockey isn't a safe place for women. I know the Kings have had a female beat writer for years and while it's not very common I don't see it being overly prevalent in the other major sports where females are covering teams. The whole think puts the NHL in a bad light and hopefully some light is shed on this if in fact it's more isolated to the NHL.
As Textcritic pointed out, it's probably because she only has experience covering the NHL. I'm sure she has colleagues in other sports with similar experiences, but most of that information would be second-hand and highly irrelevant. But no, sexual harassment is not exclusive to the NHL.
... what kind of an idiot thinks that's a good way to get laid?
That said, everything about this is sad.
Assuming Mooney's apology is sincere and the messages are of the type shown here (meaning, mostly harmless, but clearly suggestive), he basically gets labeled as a sexual harasser when a better label would probably be "lonely and does not understand internet".
It's also a shame that women get harassed so much that such an ultimately harmless (seeming) guy manages to cross a line with them.
But since you can't ask women to put up with more, really the only thing to do is punish the socially awkward guy in this case.
That said, that kind of makes me question did anybody do anything more constructive before this, like dropping Mooney a private message and explaining to him that his behavior is inappropriate and telling him to please stop?
Of course it's not anybody's responsibility to teach others how to not be creeps. But I think it'd save the world a lot of grief if people took more time to explain things to socially inept people.
(Of course for all I know maybe he was given a chance. I don't know.)
As I said, sad all around.
Definitely not, because the recipients of his messages aren't thinking of solutions to his problems, they just want him to piss off because he makes their skin crawl.
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Neat. So she's essentially implying all male hockey fans sexually harass the female ones? Any females here care to corroborate?
Absolutely not. I've been a member of this board for over a decade and I can't remember ever having a problem.
Working in the field of sports journalism versus a fan is a little different because comments are made in terms of our lack of knowledge etc., but those comments are far and few in-between. If the comments are made, they are definitely good motivation, I'll say that much.
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Definitely not, because the recipients of his messages aren't thinking of solutions to his problems, they just want him to piss off because he makes their skin crawl.
Oh you don't know that. Even creeps have friends and acquaintances. And some people do try to help people catch a hint.
It is disturbing to me how many presumably male posters in this thread believe that their definition of sexual harassment is in any way relevant.
So you can only have an opinion on sexual harassment if you've experienced it first hand?
Should anyone with a stance on abortion also have a doctorate in embryology?
The dude obviously has some issues talking to women, and allowed that to creep into his professional life. I feel bad for the victims of his objectification, and I feel bad for the guy because he lost his job for not knowing any better. Sexual harassment sucks, just like coping with loneliness when you don't know how to properly express yourself sucks. It sucks all around.
