[Signing] Flames Sign Devin Setoguchi to one year 750k deal.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

It seemed it was the consensus, and there was a poll to confirm that.

sign after Frozen Four ------------------------------------------------------------- 387 -- 84.31%
go back for his senior year and the Flames will trade him ------------------------------ 10 -- 2.18%
go back for his senior year and the Flames will sign him after -------------------------- 35 -- 7.63%
go back for his senior year and holdout to sign with someone else Aug 15, 2015 -------- 27 -- 5.88%

You've completely misread the discussion.

[Arya Stark]

Feels like a useless signing. Kind of like Galliardi.

[OzSome]

I was impressed with Segotuchi in his first few seasons in San Jose. Once he left SJ, his play just decline especially his injury. He was actually awesome in one playoff season. i paid attention to him at that season because i picked him on my playoff pool. I hope he regain his touch so he can help the Flames this season.

[Jacks]

This doesn't affect Gaudreau at all. If he plays his way onto the team at camp then they can easily swap Hudler (or Raymond) to RW to open up a top 6/9 spot and demote one of the weaker players. If he doesn't play his way onto the team then he spends a year in the AHL, that's not a terrible thing either.

[Vulcan]

I think this puts pressure on for many of our players. He could take Jones' spot outright. He could make Hudler return to LW and thus taking a spot away from a rookie. He could take Colborne's spot and force Colborne to 4th line centre thus pushing Boumo or McGratton to popcorn row. Many possibilities, the worst for me would be taking a rookie's spot.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I think this puts pressure on for many of our players. He could take Jones' spot outright. He could make Hudler return to LW and thus taking a spot away from a rookie. He could take Colborne's spot and force Colborne to 4th line centre thus pushing Boumo or McGratton to popcorn row. Many possibilities, the worst for me would be taking a rookie's spot.

If a rookie can't outplay Devin Setoguchi, isn't that an indicator he needs to be in the AHL?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If a rookie can't outplay Devin Setoguchi, isn't that an indicator he needs to be in the AHL?

It depends. If the rookie has outgrown the AHL there isn't much sense in him spending more time there. He may not be as effective as Setoguchi early on but if he gets to play, by the end of the season he could be a lot better.

[Point Blank]

Guys, it's a ONE year 750k contract in year two (three?) of a rebuild. It's not a big deal, most of our prospects still need at least another year to develop.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If a rookie can't outplay Devin Setoguchi, isn't that an indicator he needs to be in the AHL?

This.

It removes the need to shoehorn guys that might not necessarily be ready into spots when they'd be better served playing in the AHL. It's the exact reason why the Oilers have burned so many of their players. We are only 1.5 years into the rebuild and most of our best prospects have less than 1 full year of professional experience under their belt (Bennett, Gaudreau, Granlund, Klimchuk, Poirier, Sieloff, Jankowski etc). Usually a lot of guys need a good portion of 2 seasons before they are ready to make the leap (unless they are just that good like Monahan)

Setoguchi is a decent placeholder to make sure guys don't get rushed.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

This.

It removes the need to shoehorn guys that might not necessarily be ready into spots when they'd be better served playing in the AHL. It's the exact reason why the Oilers have burned so many of their players. We are only 1.5 years into the rebuild and most of our best prospects have less than 1 full year of professional experience under their belt. Usually a lot of guys need a good portion of 2 seasons before they are ready to make the leap (unless they are just that good like Monahan)

Setoguchi is a decent placeholder to make sure guys don't get rushed.

I don't get the Oiler comparison to our present day Flames at all. The Oilers shoehorned their prospects into top line positions. A Flames rookie would get mostly protected minutes just as Monahan and Colborne did last season.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

This must mean we will be trading for jumbo joe.

[Dion]

This is a low rish possible high reward signing. If Setoguchi can refind the game he had in San Jose, the Flames have another player to build thier team around. He will also push the rookies and prospects to fight for a spot on the team.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It depends. If the rookie has outgrown the AHL there isn't much sense in him spending more time there. He may not be as effective as Setoguchi early on but if he gets to play, by the end of the season he could be a lot better.

Not a single prospect in our system has outgrown the AHL. Yes, a few might be ready for some NHL action, but that doesn't mean they still won't benefit from playing on the farm.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yes, I was the only one upset about Sven being benches before Colborne.

Quite the memory. Your excessively long post will probably get a dozen thanks.

Nik- brought up the same subject not 2 weeks ago and nobody disagreed with him. What has changed since? The person posting?

Quite the victim complex you have going on. Go back to Nik's post to which you are referring, and look through the rest of that thread. I remember having an 'excessively long' post for that one as well (and fairly sure others did as well). Don't know if I got thanked or not - when you check, can you tell me? Where was Nik's post stating that every time he posts, he gets attacked? Honestly, quit playing victim card - nobody really cares, and you are kidding yourself if you think people are just 'waiting' for you to post something so they can jump on you. I honestly couldn't care less who you are - the only reason I remember you is that you seemingly have these meltdowns on this site, and when people disagree with you, you play some sort of victim and instruct them on the steps to ignore you (do you still have that in your sig? Honest question, as I have sigs turned off).

I have never seen another poster on this forum get so defensive to the point they are screaming of being victimized. Lots of posters disagree with me, and that is fine with me. Heck, that is better, or the conversations on this site would be kind of boring, no?

As for the thread in question - the majority did seem to be in favor of Sven being demoted from what I remember. Feel free to count the yes and no posts if you like, but from what I remember, it clearly was NOT the 'consensus' you speak of at all. First couple of pages were all fairly positive to him being sent down it seems.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=133001

[Iggy Snipe]

Great signing. Guy has the potential to be a lot better than he has been. Still fairly young too.

[DoubleF]

Excited to see what happens this year. We needed RW right? Price and term is a good "show me". If we get a glimmer of classic Gootch, let's roll the dice and hope for the best.

I believe in Treliving.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

It depends. If the rookie has outgrown the AHL there isn't much sense in him spending more time there. He may not be as effective as Setoguchi early on but if he gets to play, by the end of the season he could be a lot better.

just out of curiosity, What does outgrowing the AHL look like? I know certainly that none of the Flames prospects have done this. The only guy I can think of is Nyquist last year started the year for Grand Rapids when he was clearly NHL ready, but that turned out pretty well.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Not a surprising reaction by some on here. Lots of crying about less ice time for the kids, blah, blah, blah and how he's not part of the long term solution and isn't good so why waste a roster spot, blah, blah, blah.

Funny part about those reactions is that these people apparently think he's no good, but apparently he's good enough to beat out our kids that these same people are so dying to see and are ready to play at the NHL level. Thing is, it can't be both. Either Seto isn't that bad, or the kids will out play him for the spots. Having some competition around in camp for the kids, and a vet for them to learn off simply can't be a bad thing. Creates the right environment at very little cost.

When the kids are ready and it's right for their game they'll make the team. The people that are so high on our prospects should probably have a little more faith that said prospects aren't going to get out performed by the likes of Seto, and also need to realize that this is no longer a team confused about its place in the world and stop worrying.

That said, looks to me like the folks that do most of the complaining about moves like this are simply trying back up some passionate opinions they had when Burke was hired about him being the wrong choice for a rebuild team. And now they are just like dogs with a bone fighting and scrapping with every last strength in their body to try and prove that Burke isn't committed to the rebuild and young players and try to spin every little irrelevant table scrap that falls to the ground into something it's not.

[A Shot Wide]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Quite the victim complex you have going on. Go back to Nik's post to which you are referring, and look through the rest of that thread. I remember having an 'excessively long' post for that one as well (and fairly sure others did as well). Don't know if I got thanked or not - when you check, can you tell me? Where was Nik's post stating that every time he posts, he gets attacked? Honestly, quit playing victim card - nobody really cares, and you are kidding yourself if you think people are just 'waiting' for you to post something so they can jump on you. I honestly couldn't care less who you are - the only reason I remember you is that you seemingly have these meltdowns on this site, and when people disagree with you, you play some sort of victim and instruct them on the steps to ignore you (do you still have that in your sig? Honest question, as I have sigs turned off).

I have never seen another poster on this forum get so defensive to the point they are screaming of being victimized. Lots of posters disagree with me, and that is fine with me. Heck, that is better, or the conversations on this site would be kind of boring, no?

As for the thread in question - the majority did seem to be in favor of Sven being demoted from what I remember. Feel free to count the yes and no posts if you like, but from what I remember, it clearly was NOT the 'consensus' you speak of at all. First couple of pages were all fairly positive to him being sent down it seems.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=133001

Absolutely this. No offense, but I am tired of coming in to every thread only to see Ashasx being overly defensive and announcing himself as the victim. Can we not stick to purely discussion about the topic at hand? Just relax, and honestly, if you were truly sure of your opinion, you wouldn't fly off the handle every time someone disagreed with you. My advice is to accept that people have different opinions, and that is normal. You can't turn every thread into a personal argument every time someone disagrees with you, even if you were right every time, as you believe, it works against what you're trying to achieve and only hurts your reputation, making you seem like an argumentative over reactor.

[doctajones428]

Glencross - Backlund - Hudler
Gaudreau - Monahan - Colborne
Raymond - Stajan - Setoguchi
Bollig - Bouma - McGrattan
Byron, Jones

Giordano - Brodie
Smid - Wideman
Russell - Engelland
Wotherspoon

Ramo
Hiller

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