[Signing] Iginla to Colorado (3yrs, $5.3mil AAV)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Iggy has never been considered fast, and he's probably lost a step (speed wise) in the last few seasons.
How is he going to keep up with Mackinnon, who is probably one of the fastest player in the NHL, and Landeskog, who is a pretty quick skater as well.

Watch.

[indes]

Weird how people think having fast linemates will be detrimental to his production

[Karl Racki]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Can other lawyers comment, is it common practise to purposely try and challenge the law and potential loose wording (or pending contracts) prior to a legal event taking place, for marginal gains ... when there is a option of doing your due dillegence to clearify potential mis-understandings without it affecting your legal position?

Bit of a rhetorical question I know, but from this lawyer's perspective, no lawyer worth his or her salt would EVER not take the step of confirming the interpretation of the (arguably vague) provision before taking the action given the significant negative consequences of it ultimately being determined that your interpretation was incorrect. It is possible (but I think unlikely in the circumstances) that the ultimate client (owners) could have been advised of the risks and decided to proceed in any event, notwithstanding the risks. My gut tells me Feaster just blew it and, as someone else posted, stated that the Flames disagreed with the alternative interpretation as an a$$ covering measure. Edwards et al are not idiots and I suspect it was ultimately a significant factor in Feaster's firing.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

He just needs to get in position for a snap shot or one timer while his linemates do the skating and most of the work. It actually could work out really well as his shot is still as good as ever. Honestly I don't think 40 goals is out of the question if he finds the right chemistry and gets loads of PP time. It's not likely, but it's Iggy and I won't bet against him until he gives me reason to. He's pretty much the ultimate trigger man at this point, nothing wrong with that.

[AcGold]

Iginla was pretty fast back in the day. I went back and watched his highlights from 2000-2004 and he was very agile, quick and very skilled with the puck. He would deke from left to right and skate bbetween people quickly, his game now is entirely different

[Thor]

His game is very different, I agree, and it speaks to his level of talent to figure out a way to keep being productive as he ages. I think Iggy will find a way to get close to 30 again, the man just keeps finding a way.

[Poe969]

lol it's funny that people think playing with 2 amazing players on a relatively stacked team is going to make Iggy look bad. The guy carried the Flames for years alone and when he played with Cammy he not only did well but made Cammy play even better.

Iggy is going to do really well this year but more importantly (for the Avs) he's going to make those kids a lot better too.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I'll spell as many names wrong as I want.

How did i miss this? Superb.

[bubbsy]

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Iginla?

that's awesome. As long as he can stay healthy this season, he'll be potting 25. I get sad thinking about what this guy could have been had he played with this kind of talent in his prime.

It's crazy to think, but that year he asked for huselius to play on his line (resulting in the demotion of tanguay to 2nd line duty) was the year i think he played with his most high end skill linemate.

i loved langkow, but always thought it was a mistake to pick him over huselius when it came time to give out contracts that following summer...

[Phanuthier]

Not really sure I agree. There are 3 things I noticed about iginla in his prime that made him good.he liked to carry the puck into the zone, hr had to engage physically, and he needed to get over 200 shots in a season. In that sense, a guy like Huselius and Langkow were perfect for him and complimented him well. Judging by how he plays with other players,not sure I agree this is a better setup for him.

[Nehkara]

I think he would be the perfect guy coming in as the trailer on a play... Landeskog and MacKinnnon take the D towards the net and then drop it back to Iggy for the one-timer.

I have a feeling this will be very successful.

[AcGold]

He's still got pretty much the best one timer in the league. Put that with 2 other skilled players, will be insanely hard to defend against.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Not really sure I agree. There are 3 things I noticed about iginla in his prime that made him good.he liked to carry the puck into the zone, hr had to engage physically, and he needed to get over 200 shots in a season. In that sense, a guy like Huselius and Langkow were perfect for him and complimented him well. Judging by how he plays with other players,not sure I agree this is a better setup for him.

Iginla has played well with just about every set of line-mates he's ever had, because his production makes everyone around him better. He tore it up in Boston and will do the same in Colorado playing with the talented players there. He's a great player, and paired with other very-good players he will do what he always does and put up numbers.

[darthma]

I remember a few years back when there were a couple players slumping. I think it was Langkow and Huselius (during the Keenan era). Iggy asked them to be played on his line, and he broke them out of their slump quickly and they produced loads.

Even as he ages, the guy is a serious competitor.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Poe969

lol it's funny that people think playing with 2 amazing players on a relatively stacked team is going to make Iggy look bad. The guy carried the Flames for years alone and when he played with Cammy he not only did well but made Cammy play even better.

Iggy is going to do really well this year but more importantly (for the Avs) he's going to make those kids a lot better too.

Pretty much. He wasn't supposed to fit with Boston or be all that great for them either. Instead, he led the team in goal scoring as their first line winger.

[BlackWallStreet]

I've never really liked the Avs, it'll be weird to cheer for them. Go iggy!

[Flash Walken]

I think he had found a real fit on the East Coast, I'm not sure how his game at 37 will translate back to the west.

His linemates are incredible, but, he's in uncharted territory now in terms of what's going to 'go' on him.

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html

Iginla's 36 year old season of 61 points puts him 28th, all time, in terms of points in a season by a 36 year old player.

At 37, a season of 61 points would put him 1 point shy of Wayne Gretzky's 62 point season at 37, good enough for 18th All-time.

As you can see, historically, generally every year sees a pretty substantial decline in production. There are always outliers, Joe Sakic scored 13 more points at 37 than he did at 36, Ray Whitney produced 77, then 50s for two season before jumping back to 77, but, generally if you look through the lists, you'll see the difference a year makes. What will make it more difficult for Iginla is that his season of 61 points was with an above average shooting percentage, which is not something that generally trends up with age.

What will make the difference for Iginla this year is his shooting percentage. He'll be playing with talented offensive players, so his shooting percentage of 14.something may be attainable, but, he's probably looking at significantly less touches and shots than in previous seasons due to the calibre of lineup Colorado has, mixed with what are almost certainly diminishing stick skills.

In some respects, the icetime that was available to Iginla in Pittsburgh and Boston probably won't be in Colorado, as the Avs have a deeper offensive team than either of those groups. Where Iginla fit on the right side with Krejci and Lucic, he may not have as solid a spot in the offensive aspect in Colorado. He's their only natural RW at this point I believe, but their lineup is so deep with centre conversions that that may not matter. I also don't think Colorado has a puck distributor as skilled as David Krejci, which was an uncelebrated aspect of Iginla's season last year. He may also have a tough time finding a permanent home based on the matchup situations Colorado is dealing with. Depending on his coverage, he may lose shifts with Landeskog and O'Reilly as they are generally matched up against the opposition's best offensive producers.

[badger89]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Pretty much. He wasn't supposed to fit with Boston or be all that great for them either. Instead, he led the team in goal scoring as their first line winger.

Really? Who thought that? Most people seemed to think that he would be a great fit in Boston, especially if he played with Lucic and Krejic.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think he had found a real fit on the East Coast, I'm not sure how his game at 37 will translate back to the west.

His linemates are incredible, but, he's in uncharted territory now in terms of what's going to 'go' on him.

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html

Iginla's 36 year old season of 61 points puts him 28th, all time, in terms of points in a season by a 36 year old player.

At 37, a season of 61 points would put him 1 point shy of Wayne Gretzky's 62 point season at 37, good enough for 18th All-time.

As you can see, historically, generally every year sees a pretty substantial decline in production. There are always outliers, Joe Sakic scored 13 more points at 37 than he did at 36, Ray Whitney produced 77, then 50s for two season before jumping back to 77, but, generally if you look through the lists, you'll see the difference a year makes. What will make it more difficult for Iginla is that his season of 61 points was with an above average shooting percentage, which is not something that generally trends up with age.

What will make the difference for Iginla this year is his shooting percentage. He'll be playing with talented offensive players, so his shooting percentage of 14.something may be attainable, but, he's probably looking at significantly less touches and shots than in previous seasons due to the calibre of lineup Colorado has, mixed with what are almost certainly diminishing stick skills.

In some respects, the icetime that was available to Iginla in Pittsburgh and Boston probably won't be in Colorado, as the Avs have a deeper offensive team than either of those groups. Where Iginla fit on the right side with Krejci and Lucic, he may not have as solid a spot in the offensive aspect in Colorado. He's their only natural RW at this point I believe, but their lineup is so deep with centre conversions that that may not matter. I also don't think Colorado has a puck distributor as skilled as David Krejci, which was an uncelebrated aspect of Iginla's season last year. He may also have a tough time finding a permanent home based on the matchup situations Colorado is dealing with. Depending on his coverage, he may lose shifts with Landeskog and O'Reilly as they are generally matched up against the opposition's best offensive producers.

Not really sure what your point is. He's getting older, and his point totals are more than likely going to decrease than increase? Got it.

He's still a great player who's going to be surrounded by other very talented players in Colorado. Even with less minutes he's still going to put up points and be a valuable contributor as a veteran presence.

Not sure what some people were expecting as he moves from 35 towards 40. Someone with his strength and nose for the net will continue to be useful even if it comes in a more specialized role. His fitness level is just too good to see him take a sudden drop toward not having a place in the NHL.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html

So what this web site is saying, is that when Iggy scores 45 goals this season he will be the highest scoring player over the age of 36 in the history of the NHL.

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/playe...l-players.html

But really with the fitness level Iginla is known for, and the fact that the lockout season is the only time since McDavid was in Dippers it hasn't happened, I expect him to be at or above 28 goals. He will be a top 6 forward on Colorado probably averaging ~45 seconds of PP time per advantage. Because that's who he is in this league until he proves otherwise.

Points are an entirely different thing, because Iginla has never been a setup man, I would guess ~30-35 assists on that line. But I don't really have as good of a reason for that guess.