Subban arbitration UPDATE: Signs 8 year/72 million deal

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by formulate

Not 100% sure on this, I didn't come up with this statistic, but I believe you're interpreting this incorrectly. I believe this stat to mean the average % that his competition plays of their team's ice time. I would imagine this is time-weighted as well. Example:

Plays 66.6% of the time against player A, who averages 15 minutes (25%)
Plays 33.3% of the time against player B, who averages 30 minutes (50%)

(.666*.25) + (.333*.50) *100% = 33.3% QoC TOI%.

This is based on the logic that the best players play the most ice time. Your interpretation (30% means 30% of his ice time is spent playing against 'top competition) leaves 'top competition' without any real definition. Again, not based on any fact, but it makes much more sense in my eyes. It's an iffy stat for me based on how close the numbers are in comparison to Quality of Competition stats that are possession-based.

That could be true. I tried to confirm/deny by trying to get a firm definition on TOI% (as with QoT TOI% it is the percentage of time played with that player, thus I applied the TOI% in QoC as the percentage of time played against whatever the arbitrary cut-off for top QoC is) so you could be right.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

We know why. You guys tell us constantly.

Mike Peca

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Mike Peca

I said Mike Peca was the best defensive forward in his time. what a shocking statement!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Familia

So much for these lockouts....$9 million per year? What a joke. This league is making me sick with the ridiculous contracts. Subban is not worth that price. I would say 6-7 tops.

Yep, agreed. The goal of every lockout is always laid out clearly.

"The NHL and NHLPA need to come to an agreement that will keep player salaries under $9mil/yr. If they go over that then the lockouts were all for not".

[T@T]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Yep, agreed. The goal of every lockout is always laid out clearly.

"The NHL and NHLPA need to come to an agreement that will keep player salaries under $9mil/yr. If they go over that then the lockouts were all for not".

Not sure what the problem is or why it's so hard to understand, if the cap goes up it means revenues went up thus players share go up.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by T@T

Not sure what the problem is or why it's so hard to understand, if the cap goes up it means revenues went up thus players share go up.

Pretty much every post in the history of Calgarypuck that has contained the phrase "What was the lockout for?" or "Good thing we just had a lockout" has gone on to contain horrible, factually incorrect content.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by flameswin

"The NHL and NHLPA need to come to an agreement that will keep player salaries under $9mil/yr. If they go over that then the lockouts were all for not".

"Naught."

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

He looked far better than "Okay", he looked great. Shutting down the top NHL stars nightly. He plays the toughest minutes in the NHL. There are a ton of D-Men you think are "Better" who would crumble in his role.

Dion Phaneuf crumbled in his role.

Wanna know who didn't? PK Subban.

(Sorry Flameswin)

[Weitz]

It appears it will take awhile before people start to figure out the new market for top players. Subban should have taken the 1 or 2 year arb deal then took Montreal to the cleaners when it was done.

He left millions on the table.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Dion Phaneuf crumbled in his role.

Wanna know who didn't? PK Subban.

(Sorry Flameswin)

Incorrect.

And yes, PK is great. I've been his biggest booster in this thread.

[Poe969]

LOL Dion has crumbled for sure! He isn't a clear cut #1 guy on that team as he's taken a step back and is not an elite level defender. His numbers have all fallen off and his defensive play is questionable at best. Dion has crumbled for sure....it's great!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It appears it will take awhile before people start to figure out the new market for top players. Subban should have taken the 1 or 2 year arb deal then took Montreal to the cleaners when it was done.

He left millions on the table.

With say an 80 million dollar cap how do you build your team

2 10-12 million dollar forwards
1 9 mil defensemen
1 7 mil defensemen
3 5 mil forwards
1 5 mil defensemen
1 3 mil forward
1 3 mil defensemen
6- 8 mil on goalies

The above would be 68-74 million on your top 6, top 4 and goalies. I think it would be tough to field a competive team and pay more than 9 million per year to a defensement with an 80 million cap.

[Hackey]

I don't think there is any set formula to it. Every team will be different. The key is to draft well so you get max value out of your young players. That will allow teams to spend more in other areas. Teams will have to manage their assets extremely well and make sure they are getting value out of everyone.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It appears it will take awhile before people start to figure out the new market for top players. Subban should have taken the 1 or 2 year arb deal then took Montreal to the cleaners when it was done.

He left millions on the table.

72 millions in the bank is not too bad

[Senator Clay Davis]

Apparently Bergevin was overruled

Geoff Molson might have had the toughest call of the summer. Molson’s Canadiens are flying pretty high these days, what with a playoff run that took them into the Eastern Conference final, but Molson had to step in and make the decision to sign P.K. Subban to an eight-year, $72-million contract.

A highly place source has confirmed our theory that it was indeed Molson who overruled GM Marc Bergevin, when it appeared that the club might be saddled with a single-year arbitration contract and a disgruntled star. It was Molson’s call to sign P.K. long-term and it was exactly right.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...630/story.html

[Poe969]

I can't see Bergevin being there long term now, I think the owners will just be waiting for a reason to get rid of him.

[Chill Cosby]

Owner meddling in such a big way is often frustrating, but in this case it was absolutely the right call.

[Weitz]

Apparently only the Montreal Media is calling this "overruling" where as the rest of the hockey world sees it for what it is.

You don't hand out a 72 million dollar contract without the Owner being involved. It just doesn't happen.

"Ted Leonsis negotiated Alex Ovechkin’s 2008 contract. Jeff Vanderbeek was active in the New Jersey Devils’ acquisition and subsequent contract debacle with Ilya Kovalchuk. Ed Snider was an aggressive catalyst for the Flyers acquiring Ilya Bryzgalov, even if he’s revised his role a bit in the aftermath."

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...173403572.html

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I can't see Bergevin being there long term now, I think the owners will just be waiting for a reason to get rid of him.

I think he'll be there awhile. Bergevin is a reasonable guy, Molson did the right thing here.

[albertGQ]

Someone doesnt like Subban's contract

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459761

FORMER HAB KOVALEV CRITICIZES SUBBAN'S DEAL, STYLE OF PLAY