Neighbor with paranoid schizophrenia

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Something's not adding up. Police don't go to a call that involves a knife attack and go "Oh it was schizophrenia, he's good. See you later".

I'd agree with Ducay, with my dealings of someone with this specific mental illness, if you know AHS and police are involved, they'll be ten steps ahead of what you're trying to accomplish and have already made many decisions on his specific case.

There isn't going to be a call you make that leads to "Oh, the police are aware of the situation, as is AHS, but based on what you've just said, we'll get them the hell out of there for you".

I agree - If the situation is as the OP described it (knife attack) then AHS and CPS are fully abreast of the matter.

OP - To put your mind at ease, I'd call AHS and CPS and ask them what they are doing regarding this incident and relay your own (baseless) fear it may reoccur - That's about all you can do to help yourself feel better; Get confirmation that those better equipped to deal with the situation are monitoring it, on the off chance it slipped through the cracks (hard to think a knife attack would).

[BlackArcher101]

Educate the kids to stay away from him?

[Ducay]

Flameswin summarized my points quite well. CPS doesn't get called multiple times, and one being a potential major crime without looking into it at all.

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Up to this point We have just gone about our lives and let him also. I thought this last episode he wouldn't be returned to the house

Exactly, once they have a potentially violent outburst, thats it, there is no coming home. Its off to the looney box for you.

That's actually what you're suggesting. These are real people and families struggling with this illness way worse than anything they might subject you to. Put yourself in their shoes.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Up to this point We have just gone about our lives and let him also. I thought this last episode he wouldn't be returned to the house

We haven't made a call to make our concerns known and documented until now but it's time for that step

That's not how anything works, ever. One chance and your gone from the house forever. WTF? Not even violent criminals get that treatment.

****, maybe a little too close to home to engage in this discussion.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Something's not adding up. Police don't go to a call that involves a knife attack and go "Oh it was schizophrenia, he's good. See you later".

I'd agree with Ducay, with my dealings of someone with this specific mental illness, if you know AHS and police are involved, they'll be ten steps ahead of what you're trying to accomplish and have already made many decisions on his specific case.

There isn't going to be a call you make that leads to "Oh, the police are aware of the situation, as is AHS, but based on what you've just said, we'll get them the hell out of there for you".

Of course somethings not adding up which is why there's a concern. Fear is often the result of not knowing what is going on and the lack of information available. The quickest way to dismiss any fears is to give residents answers to any questions they have. That doesn't mean private medical info but assurances that will make them feel safe in their own community. And that doesn't mean relocation or locking them up.

[taco.vidal]

Outdoor security camera. If he acts up outside you'll catch it on video and can have the police take action as needed.

[jayswin]

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

Of course somethings not adding up which is why there's a concern. Fear is often the result of not knowing what is going on and the lack of information available. The quickest way to dismiss any fears is to give residents answers to any questions they have. That doesn't mean private medical info but assurances that will make them feel safe in their own community. And that doesn't mean relocation or locking them up.

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

This is a cul de sac with a lot of kids and I am wondering if there is any avenue we can use to have this neighbor removed from the care he is under and placed in the proper care with full time supervision (the guardian works and golfs all the time and is hardly ever around)

That's EXACTLY what he's asking for. It's in the OP. He's asking to somehow go above AHS and the Calgary Police and have him removed from his house and caregiver despite the fact that the police and health care officials are already fully involved.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by flameswin

That's EXACTLY what he's asking for. It's in the OP. He's asking to somehow go above AHS and the Calgary Police and have him removed from his house and caregiver despite the fact that the police and health care officials are already fully involved.

I read it more like the caregiver isn't around enough, at least in the OP's eyes, and the individual should be given one that is more attentive. Not simply taken from the house and locked up somewhere.

That said, I echo other's thoughts. Maybe find out who you can contact for piece of mind. OP's feelings are absolutely justified, more knowledge about what's going on like Dion's suggested is the solution.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flameswin

That's EXACTLY what he's asking for. It's in the OP. He's asking to somehow go above AHS and the Calgary Police and have him removed from his house and caregiver despite the fact that the police and health care officials are already fully involved.

Like I said in a PM to you a lack of info leads to concerns/fears in the community. It's automaticly assumed people fear the mentally ill when a lack of knowladge is the problem. AHS could have a town hall meeting with residents and eliminate any fears so both parties can live in the same community without any problems

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Dion

Like I said in a PM to you a lack of info leads to concerns/fears in the community. It's automaticly assumed people fear the mentally ill when a lack of knowladge is the problem. AHS could have a town hall meeting with residents and eliminate any fears so both parties can live in the same community without any problems

Health officlas and cops don't owe anyone a townhall meeting. It's a private matter that is in the hands of AHS officials and Calgary Police.

The OP can contact Calgary Police and ask for details and they will provide any details they're legally allowed to divulge in regards to community safety. There isn't any magical other avenue to contact to have a person removed from a house when police and AHS are already involved.

[Flames_Gimp]

it's actually none of the op's business what the caregiving situation is. I don't see how a proper assessment of someones care can be given from the house next door

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

it's actually none of the op's business what the caregiving situation is. I don't see how a proper assessment of someones care can be given from the house next door

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned, especially when there's a weapon involved

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Dion

AHS could have a town hall meeting with residents and eliminate any fears so both parties can live in the same community without any problems

This is a joke right, you're trolling us, you must be? Lets do a town hall for every person with a mental disability so they can be stigmatized as "different" further.

Or what about some type of online registry like they do for convicts. That would help people avoid them further.

This thread is really just a case study of how horrifically misunderstood and mistreated disabled people are, even in our society nowadays.

[MacDaddy77]

That was poorly worded. We have lived beside this individual edit 5 years knowing his condition and the police calls without much of a worry. This last call is a little different in that is was a potentially life threatening situation and I'm just asking opinions. I'm sure there are reasons why he is allowed to remain in the neighborhood however I feel the guardian may be embellishing the amount of supervision they are receiving.

For the first 4 years I had a good relationship with this individual we would talk all the time when I was shoveling or working on the lawn. For the past while he has been talking about demons in his head and has really gotten reserved and strange leading up to the latest police call

First and for most I now have a concern for my children living beside him but I could always move. However I also have a concern that he will hurt someone else or himself. My moving would do nothing to address the care that he isn't getting if he needs full time care

I'm not asking for him to be removed simply because I don't want to live next to him. I just think in his case that type if care facility would best provide him with what he needs. Of course I'm not a doctor so all I want to do is finally voice my concerns to the appropriate place

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Health officlas and cops don't owe anyone a townhall meeting. It's a private matter that is in the hands of AHS officials and Calgary Police.

The OP can contact Calgary Police and ask for details and they will provide any details they're legally allowed to divulge in regards to community safety.

Excuse me? I'm not suggesting any personal info be released. If there's an issue of violence due to a mentall illness then residents have a right to be concerned.

As a person who has struggled with mental illness (not schizophrenia) all my life I'd want people to be better educated so any fears can be eliminated and I don't have to deal with the negitive stigma and possible discrimination.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Ducay

This is a joke right, you're trolling us, you must be? Lets do a town hall for every person with a mental disability so they can be stigmatized as "different" further.

Or what about some type of online registry like they do for convicts. That would help people avoid them further.

This thread is really just a case study of how horrifically misunderstood and mistreated disabled people are, even in our society nowadays.

Huh? Town hall meeting is too much, sure, but how could educating and informing people on the subject possibly be a bad thing?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned, especially when there's a weapon involved

That's a police matter. If police weren't involved he could call them and report, but they were involved so he can contact the police and ask for any details they're legally allowed to give. There's no other group or organization that will provide more options or take more action than AHS or CPS. That's the point we're trying to make.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ducay

This is a joke right, you're trolling us, you must be? Lets do a town hall for every person with a mental disability so they can be stigmatized as "different" further.

Or what about some type of online registry like they do for convicts. That would help people avoid them further.

This thread is really just a case study of how horrifically misunderstood and mistreated disabled people are, even in our society nowadays.

Your constant sarcasm in the thread is not needed. If you want an adult discussion then act like one.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

it's actually none of the op's business what the caregiving situation is. I don't see how a proper assessment of someones care can be given from the house next door

When you see them leave for work on Thursday and not return until
Sunday and no one being there to look after the 2 gentlemen I can "in my opinion" absolutely asses the quality of care

The latest incident happened on a Saturday while the caregiver was on a golf weekend in lethbridge without anyone knowing. This information was gathered while I was in my garage eavesdropping on the police responding to the call