The Alison Redford transgressions thread. Update- Redford quits.

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Burke Salad

I believe Redford loosened the laws towards public availability of Government spending? Maybe she is falling on her own sword, as compared to Klein and Stelmach.

That's why I don't think Redford is a socially smart person. She didn't think these faked passenger booking will be easily found out. I think she even ordered the Auditor General to reveiw her travelling just shortly before she stepped down as the Premier.

OTOH, I think she thought so highly of herself and thought nothing of other people's opionion. If I'm late for work, I fear I might get fired. But for her, she thought everything she did was without consequences.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Why are you only looking at two incidents when it appears the real number is in the dozens or more? Why not mention the Sky Palace? Or flying her daughter's friends around on personal trips? Or sending staffers to Europe ahead of her to scout out hotels and restaurants for her use? Or lying about the availability of commercial flights that she should have used so she could abuse the government plane? Or the fake passengers to ensure that Queen Alison flies alone? Or god knows what else we don't know about yet?

I don't think people are holding Redford to a different standard. I think people view her as being corrupt, and the evidence generally supports that position. What also doesn't help is the fact that she appears to be completely unlikable.

I used two incidents because those are the most prevalent. Surely she fell because of the South Africa trip. These other things were either unknown or not in the spotlight at the time. Some of them are speculation and hard to even know about at this point.

I will give you credit though. That line about her being unlikeable is hilarious coming from a guy who hated her from day one. Obviously some people liked her because she was elected and not by a slim majority either.

I'm very interested to hear the AG report this morning. I expect a full round of "I told you so" coming in this thread when Redford gets hammered and the PC's cast her as a rogue agent.

[Looch City]

Lol

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

At any rate, this was a decent article I found last night, written by a woman, on how Redford just didn't get it.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08...-the-province/

Exactly. She often lamented how she had to fix the mess left by Klein, the people's premier. She thought she could do no wrong and looked down on her predeccsors as they were minions.

No only was she not smarter or better than Klein and Stelmach, she was much worse than them. She built some schools with no concern to costs, got us billions in debt and she was vain enough to tell us we have operating surplues.

Don't think you are smarter than the rest, that's the lesson I learned from watching her these past 3 years. Those who think they are smarter than the rest usually aren't.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

At any rate, this was a decent article I found last night, written by a woman, on how Redford just didn't get it.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08...-the-province/

So bottom line, maybe she had a bit less track to be a bad leader as a woman, but in the end she went about her good policies in totally the wrong way and got turfed. Time to move on and see how Smith does in the role in a few years.

That article mirrors what I posted earlier. She clearly thinks she's better than us when in reality she isn't nearly as smart as she thinks she is because a smarter politician wouldn't have put themselves in this position.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Exactly. She often lamented how she had to fix the mess left by Klein, the people's premier. She thought she could do no wrong and looked down on her predeccsors as they were minions.

No only was she not smarter or better than Klein and Stelmach, she was much worse than them. She built some schools with no concern to costs, got us billions in debt and she was vain enough to tell us we have operating surplues.

Don't think you are smarter than the rest, that's the lesson I learned from watching her these past 3 years. Those who think they are smarter than the rest usually aren't.

You might also recall that we had an election here and people voted to have the new schools built. I think that what you are advocating here is some kind of revisionist history where she unilaterally decided to build these schools that no one wanted. People voted and decided that given the choice between the austerity measures put forth by the Wildrose they would prefer to build the schools and infrastructure.

I do enjoy that seem to think that Stelmach had it all under control though and that things were great with him. I have a sneaking suspicion that your posts regarding him were hardly complimentary, but neither the ambition nor the care to look them up and find out for sure.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

"Redford was bad."

"Smith is not Redford."

"We must vote for Smith".

Constructing a Logical Argument
http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/Soc...ion/Logic.html

You just described nearly every election campaign commercial of the last 25 years.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Slava

I used two incidents because those are the most prevalent. Surely she fell because of the South Africa trip. These other things were either unknown or not in the spotlight at the time. Some of them are speculation and hard to even know about at this point.

I will give you credit though. That line about her being unlikeable is hilarious coming from a guy who hated her from day one. Obviously some people liked her because she was elected and not by a slim majority either.

I'm very interested to hear the AG report this morning. I expect a full round of "I told you so" coming in this thread when Redford gets hammered and the PC's cast her as a rogue agent.

The Sky Palace and flying her daughter's friends around were known before she quit as premier.

I hated her from Day one? Citation needed, Slava. My posts from the leadership race thread, when I mentioned Redford at all, were pragmatic about the process and politics.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Why are you only looking at two incidents when it appears the real number is in the dozens or more? Why not mention the Sky Palace? Or flying her daughter's friends around on personal trips? Or sending staffers to Europe ahead of her to scout out hotels and restaurants for her use? Or lying about the availability of commercial flights that she should have used so she could abuse the government plane? Or the fake passengers to ensure that Queen Alison flies alone? Or god knows what else we don't know about yet?

I don't think people are holding Redford to a different standard. I think people view her as being corrupt, and the evidence generally supports that position. What also doesn't help is the fact that she appears to be completely unlikable.

Completely agree. And not to mention the purchase of a brand new fleet of Cadillacs to ferry her around in (the existing Fords were apparently not good enough) and the hiring of CPS officers as extra security detail because she didn't like the Sheriffs for some reason.

When all these issues are combined, we see a pattern of lack of respect for public money and frankly, poor judgment.

[MarchHare]

I only caught the pre-interview teaser, but apparently Tom Flanagan (of all people) was on CBC Radio this morning to say that the attacks against Redford have become a witch hunt.

Did anyone listen to that story? What exactly did he say?

[Voodooman]

I also don't have any big issues with the payment of the law society dues. My organization pays professional membership dues for employees, and I think more employers do pay these dues, than don't. On the other side of the coin, perhaps the Law Society would be willing to refund those dues now, as I'm sure they would prefer not to be associated with Redford.

It brings up an interesting question though. If there is an RCMP probe, and she is found guilty of fraudulent activities, is there potential for a disbarment or expulsion from the society?

I'd be interested to hear the perspective of any actual lawyers (not all you armchair Alberta Traffic Act experts) as to potential repercussions to her credentials. Perhaps one of you would be interested in lodging a formal complaint with the Law Society? You'd have the gratitude of many people.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I only caught the pre-interview teaser, but apparently Tom Flanagan (of all people) was on CBC Radio this morning to say that the attacks against Redford have become a witch hunt.

Did anyone listen to that story? What exactly did he say?

I didn't hear the interview, but I can definitely see that narrative being pushed. There may even be a grain of truth. The opposition is arguing she is but one witch in the coven that is the PC party, and the PC leaders are arguing that she is the lone witch, and that burning her at the stake will cure all ills in Toryland.

But whatever narrative you choose to believe, she brought it on herself.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The opposition is arguing she is but one witch in the coven that is the PC party, and the PC leaders are arguing that she is the lone witch, and that burning her at the stake will cure all ills in Toryland.

Great, now I will always think of this when someone mentions Redford...

[pylon]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I only caught the pre-interview teaser, but apparently Tom Flanagan (of all people) was on CBC Radio this morning to say that the attacks against Redford have become a witch hunt.

Did anyone listen to that story? What exactly did he say?

And I agree to a certain extent.

Yeah, the woman screwed up, and I can't stand her, and I am super-happy she was ousted. But now people are frothing at the mouth and out for blood. I believe people want her to do hard time, in a maximum security mens prison, in the violent offenders wing, for gaming a some extra seats on a plane. When you look at the whole cost of it, and the net impact of Joe Albertan.... it is pennies. We get it, she was terrible at her job, and terrible at managing the finances of this province. And self absorbed. But she's finished.... just leave it at that, everyone got what they wanted... but that's not enough it seems.

If we are going to send people to prison for mismanaging public infrastructure, we could look in our own backyard at the municipal level, and find just as many misgivings if you dug deep enough I am sure. The only difference between Redford, and probably 90% of public officials.... is she got caught.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

I also don't have any big issues with the payment of the law society dues. My organization pays professional membership dues for employees, and I think more employers do pay these dues, than don't. On the other side of the coin, perhaps the Law Society would be willing to refund those dues now, as I'm sure they would prefer not to be associated with Redford.

It brings up an interesting question though. If there is an RCMP probe, and she is found guilty of fraudulent activities, is there potential for a disbarment or expulsion from the society?

I'd be interested to hear the perspective of any actual lawyers (not all you armchair Alberta Traffic Act experts) as to potential repercussions to her credentials. Perhaps one of you would be interested in lodging a formal complaint with the Law Society? You'd have the gratitude of many people.

Hey that's just being mean now.

I guess I'm interested in the answer as well. She wasn't exactly practicing law when she did this stuff.

I was talking to my sister a couple of years ago about Disbarment (She used to practice law before she decided she hated it and went into Immigration research, yes the Captain's sister is a died in the wool lefty commie by the way)

But she mentioned that there were four areas that could lead to disbarment

Financial Fraud - ripping off your clients. I don't know if expense fraud as premier would really count. I don't know if her travel stuff would count either

Non Financial personal misconduct - I don't know if this falls into place, she hasn't been criminally charged for anything

Moral indiscretions - well unless she's using the taxpayers money to pay male strippers to act as coffee tables and she's snorting coke off of their butts . . .

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The Sky Palace and flying her daughter's friends around were known before she quit as premier.

I hated her from Day one? Citation needed, Slava. My posts from the leadership race thread, when I mentioned Redford at all, were pragmatic about the process and politics.

Alright, you didn't hate her from day one, but its clear that you were hardly a supporter regardless of whether these things had come to light.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by Slava

I do enjoy that seem to think that Stelmach had it all under control though and that things were great with him. I have a sneaking suspicion that your posts regarding him were hardly complimentary, but neither the ambition nor the care to look them up and find out for sure.

I thought the general consensus was that Stelmach was a bit of a dumbass as well. He was elected in a similar manner too, wasn't he? Come-from-behind as a result of the two front-runners splitting the votes and all that jazz. Guy made quite a few mistakes too, but at least he never really seemed to have that sense of entitlement that Redford seems to have.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

But she mentioned that there were four areas that could lead to disbarment

Financial Fraud - ripping off your clients. I don't know if expense fraud as premier would really count. I don't know if her travel stuff would count either

Non Financial personal misconduct - I don't know if this falls into place, she hasn't been criminally charged for anything

Moral indiscretions - well unless she's using the taxpayers money to pay male strippers to act as coffee tables and she's snorting coke off of their butts . . .

And the fourth area is?

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

And the fourth area is?

Witchcraft!

[Voodooman]

The AG report just went live at:

http://www.oag.ab.ca/webfiles/report...4%20Report.pdf

Happy Reading!


EDIT: Overall conclusion....

"Premier Redford used public assets (aircraft) for personal and partisan purposes. And Premier Redford was involved in a plan to convert public space in a public building into personal living space"