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Old 08-06-2014, 11:05 AM   #1361
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I agree, but what gives me pause it that after months of hanging onto her MLA position it seems like she is going away a bit too quietly. From her letter it does not appear to be arising from any admission that she did anything wrong. So what lead to her resignation, a carrot or a stick?

Perhaps the auditor's report is more damning than has been speculated. Will be interesting to read.
I think for sure a stick, looks like they flat out told her quit or be fired. Not that it should make the PC party look any better for finally doing that after all they knew all this time. This reeks of a forced hand, which given everything else is just amazing she lasted this long.

I don't think even this party is that arrogant to give her a pay off. If it ever went public, they would be done for good. I just can't see them risking it. Keep in mind Redford unlike a Gary Mar is an outsider in her own party. Mar always would get taken care of as an old boy, Redford was just a liability with few friends it seems.

EDIT: Alberta premier calls on RCMP to investigate Alison Redford.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ford-1.2728747

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Old 08-06-2014, 12:08 PM   #1362
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The work I am returning to now helped me see the world as a place where one should always aspire to do the right thing.
I don't get this comment in regards to the work she is returning to as you would expect this vision from the job she stepped down from. Was the Premier's office of Alberta a place where one doesn't always aspire to do the right thing? Is this her shifting the blame for doing the wrong thing to politics and not her own poor judgement?
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:12 PM   #1363
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I just read her resignation letter... what a load of garbage. She presents as completely self-absorbed, its almost like she's bragging. She needs a solid dose of reality and humility.

This is now to the point I'm not likely to vote PC the next election regardless of who the candidates are. The PCs have bungled this so badly they do not deserve to govern. The whole lot of PC MLAs need to be thrown out in favour of a new batch. If Horner is still a candidate come election time its proof positive they don't get it as a party. He and Lukaszuk were in the inner circle and they need to go as well.
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Old 08-06-2014, 12:23 PM   #1364
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I don't get this comment in regards to the work she is returning to as you would expect this vision from the job she stepped down from. Was the Premier's office of Alberta a place where one doesn't always aspire to do the right thing? Is this her shifting the blame for doing the wrong thing to politics and not her own poor judgement?
The PC party obviously ruined her and led her down a path of corruption and immoral activity. She is not a bad person but politics and the right wing are evil.
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Hancock says he is calling in the RCMP to investigate the fake passengers. At the risk of being called a troll, can someone explain why this is criminal? I totally get the waste and excess angle, so no need to explain that, but what part is actually a criminal act?
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Premier Hancock has said that he will be directing the Minister of Justice and the Solicitor General to refer the matters involving Alison Redford to the RCMP for review and investigation. This direction will happen tomorrow after the AG report is released to the public.

Hancock also said that Redford's decision to step down is "the prudent thing to do" after he reviewed the report.
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Old 08-06-2014, 01:06 PM   #1367
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Maybe something to do with falsifying aircraft records. I would think that the federal aviation people would frown upon falsifying any document that deals with aircrafts.
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Hancock says he is calling in the RCMP to investigate the fake passengers. At the risk of being called a troll, can someone explain why this is criminal? I totally get the waste and excess angle, so no need to explain that, but what part is actually a criminal act?
Not knowing any details at all from the Auditor General report,
I would infer that it has to do with the fake passengers on government documents (flight passenger list) until the last minute when they are removed. While the final document is above board, getting it to that point is not. Who knows, we'll find out tomorrow or after the investigation if anything criminal actually happened.
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Hancock says he is calling in the RCMP to investigate the fake passengers. At the risk of being called a troll, can someone explain why this is criminal? I totally get the waste and excess angle, so no need to explain that, but what part is actually a criminal act?
Without seeing the report I would guess that asking the RCMP to review it is a CYA move.
A lot of people are speaking out about criminal charges so the easy decision is to hand the entire report to the RCMP and ask them to review it and see if there was a crime potentially committed.
There are two possible outcomes, the RCMP announce that no crime was committed and close the file or they decide there could have been a crime and they investigate it and press charges if necessary. In either case it allows the PC party to distance themselves from the decision and should quiet down the masses.

I think it is the proper move. It would look terrible if Hancock reviewed the report and declared that no crime had been committed and I don't think he could declare the opposite either.
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I don't disagree, but you have to wonder whether any self-respecting professional would want to be a part of this? I mean yes, there are obvious issues like the fake passengers, but that came to light in the last couple weeks. Before that it was just nitpicking and people from various departments just doing whatever they please with the government accountable at the end of the day. Why would anyone leave a position in the private sector to put their name on the line to deal with that?
I think a big detractor from getting better candidates is the fact that, for the most part, the election that counts is the one that chooses the PC party candidate, not the election that picks the MLA.

I really don't like the single party rule that we have had for the past 40 odd years and don't think it leads to healthy governance. I support the Wildrose, not because I agree with every one of their policies, but because I believe they are the best bet to beat the PC party.

Think about what 40 years of continuous rule means. Every single department head was appointed by the PC party. Every person under them was hired or promoted by someone who had to earn the PC party favour to get appointed. (Not saying they are all PC cronies, but I doubt too many strong NDP supporters are appointed to run departments) It seems likely that there is hardly a single government employee who hiring chain of command can't be traced back to a PC party appointment.
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Old 08-06-2014, 01:27 PM   #1371
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Hancock says he is calling in the RCMP to investigate the fake passengers. At the risk of being called a troll, can someone explain why this is criminal? I totally get the waste and excess angle, so no need to explain that, but what part is actually a criminal act?
I could be wrong, but I believe the basic thinking is "falsifying of government documents" angle.

But I'd also imagine booking seats for a non-existent Pierre Poutine would be a more serious matter than booking a seat for a real staffer and then removing them from the documents as was suggested. So depending on the nature of the "phantom passengers" could determine if there's a criminal angle here.
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Old 08-06-2014, 01:31 PM   #1372
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I'm willing to bet my mortgage that the AG report is so bad for Redford was well as the PC party that Horner and possibly others end up out of office and very well criminally charged....The timing of this faux resignation screams it.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle19819888/

"Wildrose finance critic Rob Anderson said an investigation is necessary. “Taken together, these findings appear to warrant a criminal investigation into what is termed under the Criminal Code as a breach of trust,” he said."

The auditor general's report must be more damning that we've known so far to force Redford to quit her MLA post and Hancock to make this statement.

It's never good to go to the police with your dirty laundry for you don't know what's underneath the Kimono. Hancock being a lame duck deputy premier shouldn't need to do this at all. So I think there's more to this that what has already met the eyes. We'll learn tomorrow.
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http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2014/...parting-words/

This is a funny read. Out of Redford's 971 parting words:

Contrition: 32 words.
Personal accomplishments: 342 words
Blaming others, avoiding future comment: 169 words
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I'm willing to bet my mortgage that the AG report is so bad for Redford was well as the PC party that Horner and possibly others end up out of office and very well criminally charged....The timing of this faux resignation screams it.
What do you want to wager?

On another note, why is this a faux resignation? Seems pretty real to me?

In general its interesting to watch peoples reactions to the resignation. Some have been pushing for this for months, and now they attribute it to a terrible report. I have no doubt that the report isn't a good one, but really as soon as she stepped down as premier (which was the real shocker IMO) it was a foregone conclusion that her time as an MLA was limited. She probably just got sick and tired of people tracking her down while she was on vacation and just constantly nitpicking. I think that would wear on anyone.

EDIT: Just thought that I would add that I'm not betting anything like a mortgage here, but I'm up for something friendly!
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I have no doubt that the report isn't a good one, but really as soon as she stepped down as premier (which was the real shocker IMO) it was a foregone conclusion that her time as an MLA was limited. She probably just got sick and tired of people tracking her down while she was on vacation and just constantly nitpicking. I think that would wear on anyone.
Why wait in the first place? If she resigned immediately, she could have gone to Palm Springs on vacation and no one would care. Why resign the day before a report that could possibly lead to criminal charges is released? It is definitely an oddly timed resignation to me.
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Faux may be the wrong term. ..but without question it was forced on her and not voluntary...she is far too narcissistic for that to occur.

I'm curious Salva. ..how are you going to spin all this as being the fault somehow of WR?
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Why wait in the first place? If she resigned immediately, she could have gone to Palm Springs on vacation and no one would care. Why resign the day before a report that could possibly lead to criminal charges is released? It is definitely an oddly timed resignation to me.
Well in a case where there are not many "right" decisions being made, why would this one be any different? I have no idea why she waited, but I can definitely see a rational reason that she wouldn't have wanted to stick it out much longer.

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Faux may be the wrong term. ..but without question it was forced on her and not voluntary...she is far too narcissistic for that to occur.

I'm curious Salva. ..how are you going to spin all this as being the fault somehow of WR?
Haha, I don't think that this is the fault of the Wildrose.
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Hancock says he is calling in the RCMP to investigate the fake passengers. At the risk of being called a troll, can someone explain why this is criminal? I totally get the waste and excess angle, so no need to explain that, but what part is actually a criminal act?
I don't know how the fake passenger thing is necessarily criminal, unless there's an assigned dollar value to the empty seats and in that case it could be a misappropriation of funds. I would think that the trip where she used the plane to fly her Nanny to meet her could be construed as illegal because it goes against the rules in terms of the use of the fleet.

I would think that if she used the plane and declared the trip to be government related when there was nothing government related on the trip that would be criminal.

I think the term that we're looking for here is odorous but not necessarily criminal.

I personally think that this investigation is going to be a white wash waste of time and money. At the end of it, we're going to hear that Queen Alison acted inappropriately, she acted against the best interest of Albertan's, but they'll make sure that there's no link to a conspiracy of entitlement in the PC party and she did this all while the PC party was blissfully unaware and working so so hard to walk the straight and narrow.

Meanwhile, Alison who knows where all the skeletons are buried will get a nice quiet third party consulting contract for some law firm that she joins down the road to pay her for her silence.
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The funny thing is that Stelmach always flew with his wife at his side and no one really blinked an eye. If there were false passengers being added to flights under Redford's direction, that does border on criminal. I don't have any inside information on the workings of the Premier's office and I do think that there is definitely a waste of resources, but this may be the smallest scale of a scandal to bring down a politician in a long time, especially with the vigor of hatred that is being spewn in this thread.
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