Dogs offend Muslims now

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Talk to a hundred Catholics and I doubt youll find many who believe its nothing more than symbolic. You seem to be speaking for Catholics as to what they believe.

Well he's not talking for them if it's the church's actual stance. He's merely pointing out the facts. The number of Catholics who actually believe the stance or not is secondary. Old-Fart comment was correct based on the church's stance and MarchHare (along with me) was simply pointing out that yes, the ritual is considered real that way, when another poster said they believed it was only symbolic.

I would agree with you that the majority probably do believe it is symbolic. I was part of that culture for many years. But none of us are speaking for anyone or are incorrect in our statements if we are pointing out the fact that the church does still believe it to actually be a real ritual that really turns the bread and wine into the body and blood.

And that's the problem with a lot of religion in general. People pick and choose what they believe in. And with that, generally comes, why it's ok for 'me' to sin, but not for 'you' to sin.

IE, I'll be unfaithful in my marriage, but I'll make sure no homosexuals can get married in my state.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Malaysia has bigger problems to worry about rather than dogs.....like learning how to land a plane safely

There are families of 537 people that take great offense to this comment.

And Dogs are stinky creatures

These on the otherhand rule.

[TSXCman]

Will dogs defend Muslims?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

Will dogs defend Muslims?

Maybe eat them.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

There are families of 537 people that take great offense to this comment.

And Dogs are stinky creatures

These on the otherhand rule.

Offence is taken not given

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Picking and choosing what to be picking and choosing...

It would be worse if they didn't.

[Cheese]

Wonder if these Muslims think dogs are dirty?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianfisk/661611494/

http://twocircles.net/2011apr13/trou...l#.U9g5bGK9KSM

http://www.theeasternpost.org/show_n...PROPER-HOUSING

[Ben_in_Canada]

Originally Posted by T@T

There are families of 537 people that take great offense to this comment.

And Dogs are stinky creatures

These on the otherhand rule.

Spoiler!

[Arya Stark]

Looks like I accidentally clicked on the Calgary Sun comments section.

[jayswin]

I get so uncomfortable when we talk about Muslims on CP. I know I mentioned this before, but the visual I get is a bunch of middle-aged to older white guys sitting around a barber shop talking about "them".

[cracher]

Where did Godless Apostate go? So much great material to add in recent days... Bonus: you don't have to worry about crossing that line of being a bigoted pig when bashing religion in that thread.

[old-fart]

To be fair, I find all religion equally moronic...

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Talk to a hundred Catholics and I doubt youll find many who believe its nothing more than symbolic. You seem to be speaking for Catholics as to what they believe.

What individual Catholics may believe is irrelevant -- what I posted is the official doctrine of the Church. There's a common (intended to be insulting) term for those people, like the ones you describe, who pick and choose which elements of their religion to believe and which to discard: Cafeteria Catholics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafeteria_Catholicism

The term has no status in official Catholic teachings. However, the practice of selective adherence to the teachings of the Church has been repeatedly condemned by the Church as heresy, in the Magisterial teachings and through the teaching of the Popes. In a homily delivered on April 18, 2005, Pope Benedict XVI clarified the relation of dissent to faith:[3]

"Being an adult means having a faith which does not follow the waves of today's fashions or the latest novelties. A faith which is deeply rooted in friendship with Christ is adult and mature."

In a similar vein, Pope John Paul II stated in his talk to the Bishops in Los Angeles in 1987:[4]

"It is sometimes reported that a large number of Catholics today do not adhere to the teaching of the Catholic Church on a number of questions, notably sexual and conjugal morality, divorce and remarriage. Some are reported as not accepting the clear position on abortion. It has to be noted that there is a tendency on the part of some Catholics to be selective in their adherence to the Church's moral teaching. It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the Magisterium is totally compatible with being a "good Catholic," and poses no obstacle to the reception of the Sacraments. This is a grave error that challenges the teaching of the Bishops in the United States and elsewhere."

Even the current Pope, who most would agree seems far more progression than his recent predecessors, has spoken out against Cafeteria Catholics:

Half-hearted Catholics–those who believe only some of the Church’s teachings–aren’t really Catholics at all.

“They may call themselves Catholic,” said Pope Francis at his morning Mass at the Domus Sancta Marthae, “but they have one foot out the door.”

[...]

“Alternativists” are those who hold alternative teachings and doctrines. They, according to Pope Francis, have “a partial belonging to the church. These, too, have one foot outside the church. They rent the church,” not recognizing that its teaching is based on the preaching of Jesus and the apostolic tradition. The “alternativists” are today’s “Cafeteria Catholics” who accept some teachings, but not the teachings which they find inconvenient or which they don’t really understand.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kathysc...lly-catholics/

[GGG]

Originally Posted by old-fart

I agree, it is stupid.

Unfortunately, it is also the official position of the Catholic church that yes, the crappy tasteless wafer and the piss-poor wine do actually become the body and blood of Christ because some priest says a few Latin words over them.

I understand that most Catholics think this is rubbish and consider the wafer and wine as symbolic only. Just like most Catholics think the actual 10 commandments are (for the most part) rubbish along with all the other commandments, and the story of Adam and Eve "a nice story not to be taken literally". That doesn't change the doctrine of the church though.

The catholic church does not believe in the literal interpretation of the creation stories either.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GGG

The catholic church does not believe in the literal interpretation of the creation stories either.

Yes, to give credit where it's due, the Catholic Church has for many decades accepted the scientific theories of the Big Bang and evolutionary biology (albeit from the slant that they were the mechanisms God used to create the universe and life on Earth).

Transubstantiation really is actual Church doctrine, though, even to this day. :/

[photon]

Originally Posted by Ben_in_Canada

Sorry but that's a Serval.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

the Catholic Church has for many decades accepted the scientific theories of the Big Bang

It was a Catholic priest who came up with the Big Bang theory.

[Cheese]

Re Catholics...or any other religion...why would an adherent call themselves Catholics, or Muslims, yet not follow the tenats as set out by those who hold court over it? Seems rather fraudulent doesn't it?
You can't be a doctor or lawyer without adhering to specific requirements...do the religious get a free pass?

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Cheese

Re Catholics...or any other religion...why would an adherent call themselves Catholics, or Muslims, yet not follow the tenats as set out by those who hold court over it? Seems rather fraudulent doesn't it?
You can't be a doctor or lawyer without adhering to specific requirements...do the religious get a free pass?

Depends if one's genitals are mutilated or not.

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Yes, to give credit where it's due, the Catholic Church has for many decades accepted the scientific theories of the Big Bang and evolutionary biology (albeit from the slant that they were the mechanisms God used to create the universe and life on Earth).

Transubstantiation really is actual Church doctrine, though, even to this day. :/

Fair enough - they certainly did believe that at one point, like that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe too.

They are, slowly, painfully, accepting the obvious.