Tories move to raise age of consent

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No it is not.

Oh, okay.

I guess I was wrong.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Well, change it to 21 then.

A 21 year old shouldn't be screwin a 15 year old.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That is completely 100% false. Recent outside stimuli has no effect on millions of years of evolution.

In fact, up until modern times, it wasn't unusual at all for a 14 or 15 year old to be married and have children. It was a necessity back in the time when human life expectancy was in the 30s and infant mortality rate more than 50%.


While we may not have those problems in our country today, it doesn't change the fact that nature has made humans evolve in such a way that gives them sexual desires as an teenager.



I seriously doubt it would deter them though. That is the point.

Most data I have seen shows that punishments are rarely a deterrant.

It is not incorrect. The average age that people have sex has been on a steady decline for decades. Younger teenage women have been experiencing there menstual cycle much sooner than decades ago.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

It is not incorrect. The average age that people have sex has been on a steady decline for decades. Younger teenage women have been experiencing there menstual cycle much sooner than decades ago.

Link?

And how much sooner? Human females have been known to be reproductive as young teenagers throughout recorded history. Certainly, females being sexual at 14 is not a new thing.

[Lombogirl]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

It is not incorrect. The average age that people have sex has been on a steady decline for decades. Younger teenage women have been experiencing there menstual cycle much sooner than decades ago.

The younger age of first menstruation isn't because of Britney Spears or wearing slutty clothing, or any other social phenomenons. It's due to our lifestyle and diet - all the drugs we are pumping into livestock and then eating.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

A 21 year old shouldn't be screwin a 15 year old.

No, he shouldn't. Nor should a 20 year old.

What if the girl is 15 and 2 months, and the guy is 20 plus 1 month? That is technically less than 5 years.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Just consider this for a second.

Forget about the "40 year old" everyone is talking about. Say a 20 year old knocks up a 15 year old. If the legal age of consent was 16, then the 15 year old might opt out of prenatal care in fear of sending her boyfriend to jail.

While health services may not be denied to her, they would still likely be punished. Such a thing could deter someone from opting for pre-natal care or STD testing.

I'm not exactly sure what opting out of pre-natal care or getting STD tests have to do with giving up the name of her partner.

Do you *have* to give the name of the father in that situation? I honestly don't know, but I've never heard of that.

STD tests - for the names of partners, I believe you only need to supply it for HIV if you test positive? I think that is the only situation.

By your reasoning, do you think we should be lowering the age of consent then? I mean a 12 year old could be in exactly the same situation you are describing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I'm not exactly sure what opting out of pre-natal care or getting STD tests have to do with giving up the name of her partner.

Do you *have* to give the name of the father in that situation? I honestly don't know, but I've never heard of that.

STD tests - for the names of partners, I believe you only need to supply it for HIV if you test positive? I think that is the only situation.

Quite often, any councilor or doctor will request to meet the partner. And given how ignorant even some adults are when it comes to brith control and other sexual issues, that is a good. Concealing their identity is probably not the best thing for them to do, which would probably end up happening more.

By your reasoning, do you think we should be lowering the age of consent then? I mean a 12 year old could be in exactly the same situation you are describing.

No. I recognize the need for an age limit. I just think that 14 is reasonable, although admittedly, the lower end of reasonable. I wouldn't be upset if it was raised, but I do question whether it is prudent to do so if you look at the bigger picture. Anywhere between 14 and 16 is probably good enough I suppose.

[CaramonLS]

Still, I don't believe they can actually deny care for a patent because they didn't bring their partner.

Not to mention she could probably just make up a BS story like "he ran off" or whatever, I mean if she is already in too deep lieing to protect her partner, what is one more little white lie anyways.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Still, I don't believe they can actually deny care for a patent because they didn't bring their partner.

Not to mention she could probably just make up a BS story like "he ran off" or whatever, I mean if she is already in too deep lieing to protect her partner, what is one more little white lie anyways.

You would be surprised then.

My girlfriend when I was 16 (she was 15) was denied birth control from a doctor because the doctor wanted me to go too. I did go eventually, but still, they have the power to deny some services....

And like I said, pre-natal care might not be denied, but it could be opted against if either partner thought they may be found out, even accidently, by going for it.

[CaramonLS]

Well, I assume that was at your doc's discression. If you really wanted to, I'm sure she could have changed Docs without hassle.

Anyways, I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel with the types of people it could possibly effect. I think society would be better off if you just made it outright illegal for "older people" not to be able to score at all with 14/15 year olds.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Well, I assume that was at your doc's discression. If you really wanted to, I'm sure she could have changed Docs without hassle.

Anyways, I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel with the types of people it could possibly effect. I think society would be better off if you just made it outright illegal for "older people" not to be able to score at all with 14/15 year olds.

Maybe, but I think people using the examples of 40 year olds, and older, chasing after 14 year olds, are also scraping the bottom of the barrel with their examples.

There are many grey areas inbetween that should be considered and studied before legislation is introduced. I understand that Harper is thinking with his heart and all, but that does not always mean it is for the best.

[jolinar of malkshor]

The average age for consent in the world is 16 years old. Thats how is should be. The 5 year seperation is what makes this law perfect. I dont think there is anything wrong with a 14 yr old having sex with a 15 or 16 year old, but it is most certanly wrong for a 21 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. It's not trying to out law sexs, its protecting children from predators and putting the whole sex issue into perspective. If a 14 year old can't drive, drink or vote why should it be ok for them to have sex with a 40 year old. It shouldn't.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The average age for consent in the world is 16 years old. Thats how is should be. The 5 year seperation is what makes this law perfect. I dont think there is anything wrong with a 14 yr old having sex with a 15 or 16 year old, but it is most certanly wrong for a 21 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. It's not trying to out law sexs, its protecting children from predators and putting the whole sex issue into perspective. If a 14 year old can't drive, drink or vote why should it be ok for them to have sex with a 40 year old. It shouldn't.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

I would be curious to know the global average when you take out countries in the Middle East and Africa, which have AoCs of 21.

I think a comparison of western countries would be more appropriate for what is best for our culture.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Maybe, but I think people using the examples of 40 year olds, and older, chasing after 14 year olds, are also scraping the bottom of the barrel with their examples.

There are many grey areas inbetween that should be considered and studied before legislation is introduced. I understand that Harper is thinking with his heart and all, but that does not always mean it is for the best.

I wish you were right, but your not. These examples dont even come close to scraping the bottom of the barrel. Go talk to some police officers or children services works and you will soon realize how bad this law is needed.

[sadora]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

As for you..... I hope your being sarcastic.

MOD EDIT: No.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I wish you were right, but your not. These examples dont even come close to scraping the bottom of the barrel. Go talk to some police officers or children services works and you will soon realize how bad this law is needed.

And do you think this will change if the age of consent is raised?

The police deal with unconsenting sex for anyone of any age.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And do you think this will change if the age of consent is raised?

The police deal with unconsenting sex for anyone of any age.

Unconsenting, but now they have to deal with 14 year olds who consent, which is a damned good thing.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You would be surprised then.

My girlfriend when I was 16 (she was 15) was denied birth control from a doctor because the doctor wanted me to go too. I did go eventually, but still, they have the power to deny some services....

I'm just curious how old you are now. Myself being 35, I know my 16 year old gf had some trouble getting the pill when I was 17. However that was in the 80's, and back then we were still turning the corner on sex between teenagers being acceptable.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And do you think this will change if the age of consent is raised?

The police deal with unconsenting sex for anyone of any age.

Were not talking about unconsenting people. It would make a big difference including giving parents an avenue to keep these creeps away from their kids.