[News] Flames/Glencross looking at Extension

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by saillias

"he doesn't drive possession in any appreciable way, he's hurt all the time, he doesn't draw penalties because he rarely has the puck, and he lives off a high shooting percentage."

I hate to admit it but I agree with this quote. He's a frustrating player to watch. I hope we can trade him.

I agree he can be frustrating to watch at times. So yes Glencross had a frustrating season but don't forget that he was injured for the majority of the year. He only played in 38 games.

[dissentowner]

The fact that he thinks going forward that Backlund will be our #1 centre says volumes about his knowledge of hockey.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why can the flames only focus on one contact at a time? Seems silly

lol, no kidding, that's how Glencross came to Calgary in the first place.

"Hold on Glennie, we'll call you back after we've signed Hossa to an 8 year, 9 million per season contract."

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The fact that he thinks going forward that Backlund will be our #1 centre says volumes about his knowledge of hockey.

He will likely be our top line center next year, so he's not exactly wrong.

Really pretty much everything he states is true about Glencross. The only (very major) error is the assumption that just because they are working on a possible extension for Glencross doesn't mean that other's aren't being dealt with as well. Which is, unfortunately, pretty much the thesis of his article.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Glencross put up a really good chunk of points while Cammy was playing for the Habs? I think Glencross might up his game now that Cammy is gone. I think he can put up a 25-25 this year now that we need someone to step it up.

EDIT: 2010-2011, put up 43 points in 79 games

2011-2012, put up 48 points in 67 games

My assumption could be half right, because Cammy came along in 2011-12. I just don't want to extend Glencross until we see how he does prior to the trade deadline. If he really wants to stay with the Flames, then he needs to really step it up as I've stated.

[heep223]

the only reason to focus on Glencross first is that the Flames are a team as poorly run as they are fundamentally bad.

wat....just wat?

Though yes, we are bad. And yes, lots will agree with what he's saying about Glennie. But the logic above just takes his credibility away. Not rational.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The fact that he thinks going forward that Backlund will be our #1 centre says volumes about his knowledge of hockey.

Not really. Backlund led Flames centers in most categories last year. Who would you suggest Calgary's #1 center is?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Not really. Backlund led Flames centers in most categories last year. Who would you suggest Calgary's #1 center is?

I think Monahan is already ahead of him and Bennett surely will be. Do you see Backlund ahead of those two guys going forward? Backlund's upside to me is an extremely good 3rd line centre, not a #1. The way he wrote it came across to me as Backlund being that #1 centre we need because that will be his position going forward.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Monahan is already ahead of him and Bennett surely will be. Do you see Backlund ahead of those two guys going forward? Backlund's upside to me is an extremely good 3rd line centre, not a #1. The way he wrote it came across to me as Backlund being that #1 centre we need because that will be his position going forward.

He said soon-to-be, which to me implies that for the next year or so, yeah backlund will probably be eating the most minutes at center, although may not yield the most points.

Either way, his facts are all accurate, it's his interpretations of the facts that are just plain bad and/or wrong.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Monahan is already ahead of him and Bennett surely will be. Do you see Backlund ahead of those two guys going forward? Backlund's upside to me is an extremely good 3rd line centre, not a #1. The way he wrote it came across to me as Backlund being that #1 centre we need because that will be his position going forward.

Monahan has that potential, but he isn't there yet. Hartley shielded his minutes heavily for a reason. For the next 2 to 3 years I think Backlund will be the Flames top center. If that changes, it will hopefully be due to significant progression from Monahan or Bennett.

[Stanley]

Not a big fan of Glencross, as so many others have said, such a frustrating player to watch. But I suppose we need him to score some goals with Cammy gone...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Monahan has that potential, but he isn't there yet. Hartley shielded his minutes heavily for a reason. For the next 2 to 3 years I think Backlund will be the Flames top center. If that changes, it will hopefully be due to significant progression from Monahan or Bennett.

Fair enough.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I wouldn't be sad to see Glencross move on, he has a good shot but inconsistent effort. Exactly the type of player that gets overpaid on July 1st and he provides nothing that can't be replaced fairly easily IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

"he doesn't drive possession in any appreciable way, he's hurt all the time, he doesn't draw penalties because he rarely has the puck, and he lives off a high shooting percentage."

I hate to admit it but I agree with this quote. He's a frustrating player to watch. I hope we can trade him.

Yeah. All he does is score goals. What a loser.

[puckedoff]

His last season was poor, but other than that whats not to like? He scores, hits, fights and kills penalties. If you can get a guy like that for ~$2m per year, its a good idea.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

His last season was poor, but other than that whats not to like? He scores, hits, fights and kills penalties. If you can get a guy like that for ~$2m per year, its a good idea.

He's going to be closer to or above $5 mil now. That's the issue.

I wouldn't mind the price for 2 years. Any more than that I say no. Someone will give him 4-5 years on the open market. Maybe not higher AAV but more overall dollars.

IMO he's worth more as a valuable trading piece at $2.5 than he is on the team for another couple years at $5. Teams that are cap strapped at the deadline could be throwing out decent deals for a bargain contract top 6 winger. He's got to be the cheapest one in the league, that's not a rookie.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah. All he does is score goals. What a loser.

But that means a lot less than POSSESSION, clearly.

I actually like advanced stats, but advanced stat guys are almost worse than Crossfit guys. They tend to tell you over and over and over and over again that they are stat guys with the expectation that you should be suitably impressed.

In the case of Lambert, he's also a major league troll, which only makes it worse.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, Glencross is looking for a 'fair' contract, not a home-town discount. As long as the Flames don't re-sign him for something stupid (especially term) I don't really mind it. He can help to shelter the youth, as when he is on his game he is good at keeping up with the top players.

I would expect that not having a 'home-town discount' contract would therefore not include any trade/movement clause of any kind. It is fine if he wants to exchange money for that security, but you can't have it both ways when you start figuring that Glencross is expendable in the long run.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by saillias

"he doesn't drive possession in any appreciable way, he's hurt all the time, he doesn't draw penalties because he rarely has the puck, and he lives off a high shooting percentage."

I hate to admit it but I agree with this quote. He's a frustrating player to watch. I hope we can trade him.

This post annoys me.

It's posts like this and similar ones that make it hard for me to respect the opinion of many of the people who toot the horn about advanced stats.

Of course he has a high shooting %, he scores tons of goals. But wait! Hold the phone! He has relatively poor advanced numbers and doesn't drive possession well, and this must be the be-all end-all that overrides everything else so he must not be very good, right?

It's like you and they seem to think this is wayyy more important than the counting stats, which is bull####!

[MissTeeks]

Hmm:

“@BoomerAndRhett: Conroy on Glencross extension: "If he's healthy he can score 30. I know Brad wants to see where Glenny is in-season, then we'll talk."”