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Old 07-23-2014, 02:35 PM   #1261
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Would you be willing to trade Sanchez?
Assuming that they could get a player that would have a significant and long-term impact on the roster in return with Sanchez being part of a package going the other way, yes.

I can't imagine that there is a player available at the moment that is a free agent after this season that you'd trade Sanchez for.

I think it would have been foolish to be closed to the idea of including Sanchez in a package for Samardzija, but that ship has sailed. From where I'm sitting, you'd have to be willing to include Sanchez in a package for David Price, but there are factors at work that make such a trade unlikely:

- Rays won't want to trade in-division, especially if they have other options
- There'd need to be a SIGNIFICANT add to the package that I don't think the Jays have, without a big impact on the pro roster

In the unlikely case that Tulowitzki gets traded, I do think you have to be willing to include Sanchez + in such a trade, not only to acquire a player of Tulo's calibre, but also to address the Jay's dearth of positional prospects at the moment. That being said, I don't think it's too likely that we'll see Tulo in a Jays uniform any time soon.

As frustrating as it can be, the Jays are not only at a disadvantage in free agency for the reasons I posted earlier, but they are also at a disadvantage in trading for players. Every time one of these "Details of So-and-So's No Trade Clause" stories comes out, the Jays are invariably on the list. It adds to the things keeping AA from making trades at the moment. Even if you forget the whispers relating to payroll limitations that are floating around, you can see he's in a tough position at the moment.

They can't pack it in for this year, because then you'd have to tear it ALL the way down Houston Astros style (can't keep any of these players around that you brought in to contend). So you're looking at 5+ years before even considering being in this position again.

If you go all-in for this year and don't make it, you might be looking at the Houston Astros scenario 2-3 years down the road anyway. Even if you want to go all-in, the no-trade clauses that so many potential targets have severely limit the market you have access to.

If you 'do nothing' it makes the fan base angry, unless of course they 'do nothing' and the team makes the playoffs.

I really don't think it's a matter of the team not being good enough, especially with the state of the division this year. I really wonder where they'd be if they were able to stay healthy, and a huge amount of the blame in that regard absolutely HAS TO go to the artificial turf at Rogers Centre. It blows my mind that Rogers and the Jays are placating the Argos, secondary tenants in the building they own in keeping the astroturf around. It could potentially be costing them millions of dollars in revenue from playoff dates missed and subsequent attendance losses.
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:40 PM   #1262
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Not sure if being sarcastic or not? But anyways that speaks to the lack of capable catchers from the USA combined with Posey being injured. That basically left Joe Mauer and JPA.
I still think he had to be highly regarded to make it. At least highly regarded enough that you could have traded him for something right at that moment before he stuck out 1000 times.

They could have taken Weiters.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:12 PM   #1263
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:12 PM   #1264
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Great start Dickey
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:13 PM   #1265
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3-0 after each of the first two Sox batters get a hit and then Ortiz hits a massive home run. Oh man.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:14 PM   #1266
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:28 PM   #1267
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Ugly start from the Dickster. Hopefully he can recover. How many HRs does Ortiz have against the Jays this year?
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:39 PM   #1268
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Good start from the bats
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:39 PM   #1269
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Well, the offence has picked him up ... hopefully Dickey does better in the rest of the game and the bats keep this up.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:01 PM   #1270
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Man the bottom third of the order is just so bad. Thole-goins-Gose. Yuck
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:06 PM   #1271
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And of course the players I was just complaining about tie the game.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:16 PM   #1272
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1,2,3.........nice job by Sanchez.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:19 PM   #1273
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:26 PM   #1274
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Let hope this a sign of things to come. Hell if the Jays can get players back from injury for their playoff push they might just make it as a wildcard
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1,2,3 in the 8th for Sanchez. Looking gooooood.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:44 PM   #1276
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Nice job by Janssen, nice comeback win. Be nice to string a few together here. Oh yeah, nice debut by Sanchez as well, looked solid.
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With the Mariners' loss, the Jays are now 0.5 games out of the second Wild Card spot ... and have won 4 of 6 games since the All-Star break!
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Ugly start from the Dickster. Hopefully he can recover. How many HRs does Ortiz have against the Jays this year?
5

Hilariously he was 1 for 18 or 19 before this series with his only hit being a HR.

Now he is 5 for 14 with 4HR in his last three games aginast them.
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Rasmus is a pending Free agent, who hits for a low average....

I bet he has limited value.....
Wrong, he was one of the top CF in the game last year by WAR and there was talk of him getting a contract similar to Upton. Now that may be tempered a bit by his struggles this year, but there is still just less than half the year left and Rasmus is streaky. He will likely go on an absolute tear at some point.

Either way, he'll get more than you think.
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Wrong, he was one of the top CF in the game last year by WAR and there was talk of him getting a contract similar to Upton. Now that may be tempered a bit by his struggles this year, but there is still just less than half the year left and Rasmus is streaky. He will likely go on an absolute tear at some point.

Either way, he'll get more than you think.
I actually don't think he will. (Depending what you consider more then I think)

Teams are beginning to realize 1 dimensional players aren't worth the big money.

Rasmus plays poor defense. He owns a -0.7 Def WAR. Only Melky and EE are worst on the Jays, and Rasmus missed time.

He owns a .274 OBP which is beyond pathetic. His offensive WAR is 0.9. Basically he is an replacement type player

Last season was an outlier in his career. Here are his WAR #'s for the past 4 years with Toronto

2011 -1.1
2012: 1.2
2013: 4.8
2014: 0.1

I do not think the Jays will even qualify Rasmus at this point.

He will need to sign a 1-2 year deal at 5 mil/per to prove himself IMO. After this season the big contract potential has faded away

With all teams now using it. the shift has killed Rasmus. Just like all left handed power hitters.

This is a terrific article explaining the death of the left handed power hitter:

http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/07/22/shi...rs-david-ortiz



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