Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd11

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't think anyone should write off Jankowski but at the rate he's developing it will be 7 years from his draft that he can be expected in the NHL. At that rate, time could run out for him and the longer it takes the more possibilities for failure. Meanwhile our 4th round pick in the same 2012 draft , Kulak, is ready to turn pro.

Kulak is ready to turn pro because his time in the junior is up. I believe Jankowski could play pro (AHL) next season if they wanted to rush him, but his development is best to stay in College currently.

And 7 years? Don't exaggerate or anything.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't think anyone should write off Jankowski but at the rate he's developing it will be 7 years from his draft that he can be expected in the NHL. At that rate, time could run out for him and the longer it takes the more possibilities for failure. Meanwhile our 4th round pick in the same 2012 draft , Kulak, is ready to turn pro.

At this stage Jankowski could easily have a major breakout season and accelerate the process. You just never know. As both a freshman and a sophomore he put up similar (and better all round) stats to Kevin Hayes at those stages while playing on a much weaker Providence team. Kevin Hayes is someone who media outlets are saying could step right into NHL lineups like the Bruins or Rangers or Flames. Similar size, similar offensive skill and similar draft position. Was drafted as a C but moved to RW, which I could also see happening with Janko because of our recently acquire wealth of top C prospects. He could be in the mix to make the Flames as early as 2015.

But there's absolutely no pressure for him to arrive on the scene that early since Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Colborne, Granlund, Knight and Arnold all look to be in the frame as pivots for the next few years. Slow and steady development will benefit the player and the franchise, and I think it's the best way to ensure Jankowski reaches a level near his potential ceiling. He could be a first line player, and he's the only one left on the list that you could describe that way. I think he's still a top 10 prospect on this team.

I think I'll vote Kulak next round. Arnold/Agostino/Sieloff/Kanzig/McDonald are starting to enter the frame...

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Kulak is ready to turn pro because his time in the junior is up. I believe Jankowski could play pro (AHL) next season if they wanted to rush him, but his development is best to stay in College currently.

And 7 years? Don't exaggerate or anything.

Kulak isn't being rushed into the pros he's ready whereas Jankowski by your own admission would be.

4 years in College, 2 more years in the AHL before he becomes eligible for waivers brings us to 6 years. That makes it his 7th year before he's ready for the NHL.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

I ended up going with Knight. He showed enough skill and hockey IQ last season to have a high chance at becoming an NHLer even if it is likely a bottom line role. I understand the age factor but was voting for the best prospect as defined by the poll.

I also considered Arnold but it was tough to judge him based on one NHL game. Looking at the results I might have to pick Arnold strategically next round though.

I am still firmly in the Jankowski = bust camp and would have voted for any player with a good chance at making the NHL over him.

Picking a 24 year old over a 19 year old is always a good plan when discussing prospects. Jankowski is the best all around skater on the Friars, and some how that is a bad thing. I don't know what some people are expecting the kid to do?

Originally Posted by Vulcan

4 years in College, 2 more years in the AHL before he becomes eligible for waivers brings us to 6 years. That makes it his 7th year before he's ready for the NHL.

So he's going to play 2 years in the AHL before making his NHL debut? Quick, what are the winning numbers to 6/49.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Kulak isn't being rushed into the pros he's ready whereas Jankowski by your own admission would be.

4 years in College, 2 more years in the AHL before he becomes eligible for waivers brings us to 6 years. That makes it his 7th year before he's ready for the NHL.

Jankowski might not be rushed next summer, that's what I'm saying. Your time frame seems set in stone for you.

It's not about who gets there first, it's about who gets there and sticks. Roman Horak finished junior was a good pro and played in the NHL. He isn't/wasn't a better 2011 draft pick then Gaudreau.

[TheDebaser]

I voted for Sieloff. I think the guy has off the chart intangibles and he brings that physical element which will be crucial to competing in the western conference. I think his leadership will stealthily be what he contributes the most to the team though.

...And so what if I just want to watch the guy do his best kronwall impression to the Oilers all night 8 times a year. Guys seriously, think of all the "here comes the boom" youtube montages.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

So he's going to play 2 years in the AHL before making his NHL debut? Quick, what are the winning numbers to 6/49.

I'm going by his progress thus far which is all any of us have to go on. You can take your 6/49 comparison and stick it you know where.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jankowski might not be rushed next summer, that's what I'm saying. Your time frame seems set in stone for you.

It's not about who gets there first, it's about who gets there and sticks. Roman Horak finished junior was a good pro and played in the NHL. He isn't/wasn't a better 2011 draft pick then Gaudreau.

This is what's interesting about this whole poll process. Some posters are heavily valuing players based on how soon they'll be cracking the lineup. Others are valuing their skill sets and potential ceilings, which I think is the more sensible approach.

A potential 1st liner who is another 2 seasons away (Jankowski, maybe Bennett too) is a much more valuable prospect than potential bottom 6 forwards (Wolf, Arnold) or 3rd-pairing defencemen (Sieloff, Kanzig) who are closer to contributing. At least that's how I see it.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'm going by his progress thus far which is all any of us have to go on. You can take your 6/49 comparison and stick it you know where.

You're going solely by offensive progress, unfortunately. You're ignoring all other aspects of the game.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jankowski might not be rushed next summer, that's what I'm saying. Your time frame seems set in stone for you.

It's not about who gets there first, it's about who gets there and sticks. Roman Horak finished junior was a good pro and played in the NHL. He isn't/wasn't a better 2011 draft pick then Gaudreau.

Might is the word. Going by his rate of progress, he's a year behind Colborne and Colborne didn't make the NHL until his 6th year.

Nice cherry pick as Horak would be an exception with the way he progressed and shows more the dysfunctionality the Flames were at the time than Horak's talent.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You're going solely by offensive progress, unfortunately. You're ignoring all other aspects of the game.

and you're ignoring his lack of physicality which is still a big problem. It might, there's that word again, get better as he gains muscle but so far no.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by New Era

. Jankowski is the best all around skater on the Friars, and some how that is a bad thing.

.

You have made this claim a couple of times.

Please explain how you came up with that.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

and you're ignoring his lack of physicality which is still a big problem. It might, there's that word again, get better as he gains muscle but so far no.

When talking about prospects, I tend to say might. I am truly sorry if that offends you.

Jankowski's physicality is okay, and no I'm not ignoring it. You know I've mentioned it the past. He doesn't initiate nearly as much as I'd like. Part of it is not yet knowing how big or strong he is yet I believe. I think once he gets confidence in that style he'll play much better. He might, there is that word again!

His two-way game is far ahead of where I, or most, thought it would be after only two College seasons however, that's a big thing. After jumping from Canadian High School hockey I thought it would be longer to be a viable defensive two way player, he's done it now. He's also a guy the coach leans heavily on in key situations. He consistently gets key draws for his team and as a 19 year old, was a positive in the faceoff dot, another big positive. I like the fact that despite "only" getting 13 goals (almost doubling the previous year, improvement) a good portion of those goals were big ones. Game tiers or game winners. Key guy in key situations at 19.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by timbit

You have made this claim a couple of times.

Please explain how you came up with that.

Who would you choose? Why do you choose them?

[Joe Nieuwendyk]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

At that rate, time could run out for him and the longer it takes the more possibilities for failure.

could is better than might?

[Vulcan]

When talking about prospects, I tend to say might. I am truly sorry if that offends you.

Well I can go down that road as well than. Kulak might score 50 goals with 18 fights in the AHL this season. Do you see what might be wrong with that statement?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well I can go down that road as well than. Kulak might score 50 goals with 18 fights in the AHL this season. Do you see what might be wrong with that statement?

I might think you're drunk, that's the main thing wrong.

Hyperbole and exaggeration are always the best and mature way to discuss things.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I might think you're drunk, that's the main thing wrong.

Hyperbole and exaggeration are always the best and mature way to discuss things.

You're the one who used the anomaly Holak, as an example along with the rest of your pie in the sky might be s, which is so far all you've got.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You're the one who used the anomaly Holak, as an example along with the rest of your pie in the sky might be s, which is so far all you've got.

Do you even know what you're upset about at this point?

I haven't the foggiest what you meant by pie in the sky "be s" either. I've been pretty rational about Jankowski. Said he needs to improve offensively and engage physically more, also noted that his two way game and ability in the face off dot are two areas he's ahead of the game. Saying he won't be in the NHL for 7 years after being drafted is a little silly too. It's possible after his 4th year he gets cups of coffee after turning pro, like Colborne did etc. Personally I think there is an outside chance he turns pro next summer.

The 11th round is the first time I've cast my vote for Jankowski, so I'm obviously not over the moon for him, I just think your constant negativity is a little too much and after you've exhausted yourself you tend to break down into childish posts, like the one above.

You'd be better off if you actually watch his games with any consistency and look to posters like sureLoss who have put his numbers into proper context. Though I realize ignoring those posts is easier for you.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I'm going by his progress thus far which is all any of us have to go on. You can take your 6/49 comparison and stick it you know where.

Well, you don't know what you're talking about so how about you shut your pie hole and listen to people who actually have watched the kid with some frequency, because the garbage you are spewing is 100% bull#### of the highest level.

Your ignorance of Jankowski and the Friars is just embarrassing. If you knew anything of the Friars and the situation Jankowski is cast in, you might be worth listening to. But you arguments are uniformed and weak. They are just juvenile garbage you would expect from an Oiler fan. Points, points and points are the only way you measure a player and his development. It's just freaking weak soup. There is more to player development than scoring goals and assists. If that's all it took Robbie Schremp would be a superstar.