Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[Canuck-Hater]

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[Flamenspiel]

^^Peacekeepers? Yea like Rwanda in 1995....

Unless your talking about our own Canadian heroes in the Medak Pocket(1993) it just has not worked lately. I believe there is a cp member who was a part of that unit.

[CaptainCrunch]

Peacekeepers would be worthless in the area unless they were peace enforcers.

In others words they'd have to squash the rocket launchers, destroy the tunnels and kill the fighters. So the Hamas government would never allow it.

On top of that there is the risk of UN peacekeepers being used as hostages

Israel would never accept that because they won't trust anyone with their defense.

It would have to be a very agressive peace keeping force, not the usual walking around in Blue Berets with a very weak rule of engagement. It would have to be a combat force with heavy weapons and an iron clad and fair rule of engagement that can participate in anti terrorism sweeps.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

The Mavi Marmara incident ruined it between Israel and Turky. Altheso, Turkey's ruling party is not entirely seo
rcular as ruling parties of the past.

That and Israel just formed a strategic alliance with Turkey's sworn enemy Cyprus. Israel is on the verge of a similar alliance with Turkey's other enemies the Kurds.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

So based on real news, not your racist news source, Israel is going to go after Hamas, a terrorist group. So Israel is a pariah state, according to you, for targeting an internationally known terrorist group. Hamas on the other hand murdered three innocent teens. Israel targets Hamas, Hamas targets kids. And to you Israel is the bad guy.

A police matter? What a joke.

Israel is a bad guy here. "Targeted strikes" have killed over a hundred children about 15% of the victims. In fact, Israel has now accidentally killed 35 times as many children as Hamas did. Sorry if that doesn't make me warm and fuzzy. Real news shows you Israel is being quite indiscriminate in its killing here. Sorry, but your antagonistic and incredibly biased Viewpoint is not suitable for a reasonable discussion.

Blocked. Please do not quote this poster if you can help it.

[afc wimbledon]

The real solution, which is decades away, but is coming, is the US withdraw all support thus forcing Israel to pay for their ongoing war, at which point it becomes unsustainable.
Unfortunately, for a country built on a 2000 year old diaspora, Israel shows remarkably little foresight into its future in a world without a US superpower.

[Senator Clay Davis]

America is never cutting its support of Israel. It's never happening. The number one largest supporting group of Israel in the US? Evangelic Christians. Why? Because when Jesus comes back after the rapture, it's gonna be in Jerusalem. No way in hell will Evengelics or most Christians let Muslims be in control of that territory. AIPAC is also very much like the NRA, an extremely powerful lobby group who pretty much gets whatever it wants, thus America will always be supporting Israel. America's support for Israel will stop when America ceases to exist.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by blankall

That and Israel just formed a strategic alliance with Turkey's sworn enemy Cyprus. Israel is on the verge of a similar alliance with Turkey's other enemies the Kurds.

Here is a neat little thought process:

- Kurdish "terrorists" have engaged in numerous acts of violence inside Turkey, killing innocents.

- Israel is about to form and alliance with the Kurds

- Israel supports terrorists?


Funny how the world looks like nothing other than a snake eating its own tail. It also makes it absurd to watch people be so supportive of one people / government over another, when they're all simply acting for themselves at the expense of others.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Israel is a bad guy here. "Targeted strikes" have killed over a hundred children about 15% of the victims. In fact, Israel has now accidentally killed 35 times as many children as Hamas did. Sorry if that doesn't make me warm and fuzzy. Real news shows you Israel is being quite indiscriminate in its killing here. Sorry, but your antagonistic and incredibly biased Viewpoint is not suitable for a reasonable discussion.

Blocked. Please do not quote this poster if you can help it.

To be fair, Hamas is just as indiscriminate, possibly more, launching hundreds of inaccurate rockets with no warning. They have not resulted in many deaths for a variety of reasons, but not for lack of trying. They are both the bad guys here.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by edslunch

To be fair, Hamas is just as indiscriminate, possibly more, launching hundreds of inaccurate rockets with no warning. They have not resulted in many deaths for a variety of reasons, but not for lack of trying. They are both the bad guys here.

Yes. That's what I was saying. Somehow Nage Waza thinks Israel is doing the right thing here. The only thing separating the two racist groups here is capabilities.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Yes. That's what I was saying. Somehow Nage Waza thinks Israel is doing the right thing here. The only thing separating the two racist groups here is capabilities.

So you're blocking those viewing this through Palestinian eyes?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So you're blocking those viewing this through Palestinian eyes?

Only those who become so ridiculously argumentatively and biased, yes. There's a place for civil discourse, but it's not where one side is blameless and the others are complete monsters.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Only those who become so ridiculously argumentatively and biased, yes. There's a place for civil discourse, but it's not where one side is blameless and the others are complete monsters.

Did you read _Q_ early posts in this thread. IMO they fit "the bill".

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Did you read _Q_ early posts in this thread. IMO they fit "the bill".

I did not read them. I've had civil discourse with him since I contributed

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I did not read them. I've had civil discourse with him since I contributed

Well I don't think it has been the case throughout this thread.

[Chill Cosby]

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[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

America is never cutting its support of Israel. It's never happening. The number one largest supporting group of Israel in the US? Evangelic Christians. Why? Because when Jesus comes back after the rapture, it's gonna be in Jerusalem. No way in hell will Evengelics or most Christians let Muslims be in control of that territory. AIPAC is also very much like the NRA, an extremely powerful lobby group who pretty much gets whatever it wants, thus America will always be supporting Israel. America's support for Israel will stop when America ceases to exist.

No, US support for
Israel will wind down when the Chinese refuse to pay for it any more, which, without radical change, will come in about 50 years.
The US has a few more decades of superpower to go, once it falls though it will be quick, in a sense we are already there, the US relies on the rest of the world, specifically China, to pay for its role in the world.
The whole thing though is built on IOU's, which rely on confidence. Once the confidence falls it all falls apart quickly.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No, US support for
Israel will wind down when the Chinese refuse to pay for it any more, which, without radical change, will come in about 50 years.
The US has a few more decades of superpower to go, once it falls though it will be quick, in a sense we are already there, the US relies on the rest of the world, specifically China, to pay for its role in the world.
The whole thing though is built on IOU's, which rely on confidence. Once the confidence falls it all falls apart quickly.

Which is why Israel needs to have the foresight for their own good if they want to guarantee their survival long term.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Chill Cosby

You're not helping anything. Q is obviously making an effort, so why antagonise him?

Agreed, that is why I changed it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No, US support for
Israel will wind down when the Chinese refuse to pay for it any more, which, without radical change, will come in about 50 years.
The US has a few more decades of superpower to go, once it falls though it will be quick, in a sense we are already there, the US relies on the rest of the world, specifically China, to pay for its role in the world.
The whole thing though is built on IOU's, which rely on confidence. Once the confidence falls it all falls apart quickly.

China can't simply call the IOUs because they would collapse their own economy doing so (assuming America doesn't pay). Besides China's number 1 customer isn't going to stop being the world's largest consumer economy any time soon. China probably isn't calling any IOUs or anything of the sort for 100 years, at least.

I'd also say America's financial issues are greatly overstated (see Greece, Spain, Portugal and others for true financial issues), take out Iraq and its related opportunity costs and America is one of the countries in the best financial shape in the world. Unless they chickenhawk themselves into another unneccessary war or two, America will be fine financially.