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Old 06-30-2014, 02:11 PM   #41
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Hmm. Well, if that is what you're saying, I guess I disagree--in the sense that I think that Delgamuukw announced that a claim such as this was possible, but the post-Delgamuukw jurisprudence treated aboriginal title as almost like a unicorn--a fun idea, but so impractical and difficult to prove that it was almost a hypothetical right, and there was no need to decide, for instance, what aboriginal title actually meant. The BC Court of Appeal in the recent litigation was a perfect example: it was one more decision following the Delgamuukw tradition of saying "we don't know what aboriginal title is, but it isn't THIS."
I tend to disagree with that... I'm not an aboriginal law expert, but we did know quite a bit about the nature of aboriginal title before this. Here's some stuff from a 2013 BC decision.

(a) Aboriginal title is a collective right to land held by all members of an Aboriginal nation. It cannot be held by individual Aboriginal persons;
(b) Aboriginal title is inalienable - it cannot be transferred, sold, or surrendered except to the Crown;
(c) Aboriginal title encompasses the right to exclusive use and occupation of the land for a variety of purposes. Permissible uses are not restricted to uses which were elements of traditional practices;
(d) Aboriginal title is meant to protect Aboriginal peoples' relationship with their land. Aboriginal title lands cannot be put to uses which are irreconcilable with the claimants' attachment to the land, in the past, present day, or future;
(e) The reconciliation of the prior occupation of North America by Aboriginal peoples with the assertion of Crown sovereignty requires that the Aboriginal perspective and the common law be given equal weight;
(f) Aboriginal title is a sui generis interest in land, a right to the land itself, but it is not an absolute right. Aboriginal title may be infringed by the Crown where the test for justification can be met;
(g) The Crown's ability to infringe flows from the court's finding that the purpose of s. 35(1) of the Constitution Act, 1982 was aimed at recognition of the prior occupation of North America by distinctive Aboriginal societies and reconciliation of Aboriginal prior occupation with the assertion of Crown sovereignty;
(h) Aboriginal rights and Aboriginal title are related concepts, and Aboriginal title is a sub-category of Aboriginal rights which deals solely with claims of rights to land;
(i) Aboriginal title, like all Aboriginal rights, arises from the prior occupation of land, but other Aboriginal rights may also arise from the prior social organization and distinctive cultures of Aboriginal peoples on that land;
(j) To establish Aboriginal title, claimants must prove occupation of the land by their ancestors prior to, and exclusive occupation at the time of, sovereignty;
(k)The Crown has a duty to consult with and accommodate the interests of Aboriginal peoples who have asserted, but not yet proven claims to Aboriginal rights;
(l) Aboriginal title and an Aboriginal interest in reserve land are "fundamentally similar" (per the SCC in Osoyoos Indian Band in 2006);

I don't think it was a unicorn until now. The nature of aboriginal title has evolved through the jurisprudence, and my sense is that this is another step - an important one, but not a surprising or revolutionary one - in that evolution. Just my opinion though, and I'm supposed to go to a presentation by Sandy Carpenter on this on Thursday, so I'll have a much more informed opinion after that.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:59 AM   #42
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:00 PM   #43
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lol, that council is full of fools.
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I have a in law who is working for the First nations on this subject.He mentioned the concern over being able to produce enough evidence of legal owner ship of the first nations through their own written history . on how they came to aquire the land. Had they come into the land and no one was here, did they take it by force? Did they barter for the land? . His main concern is the link First nations share DNA link with Siberian ancestors. It may sound obtuse but It does set precedent and questionable doubt could be set with how the land was obtained.

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I have a in law who is working for the First nations on this subject.He mentioned the concern over being able to produce enough evidence of legal owner ship of the first nations through their own written history . on how they came to aquire the land. Had they come into the land and no one was here, did they take it by force? Did they barter for the land? . His main concern is the link First nations share DNA link with Serbian ancestors. It may sound obtuse but It doe set precedent and questionable doubt could be set with how the land was obtained.
I think he means Siberian ancestors.

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“If you look at the genomes of modern Native American people, South American native people and Canadian First Nations people, there’s a chunk of that genome that looks European – or is European,” said Zazula. “It’s often thought that was a result of modern mixing of populations” in relatively recent times, he said, but the new study suggests a significant portion of the genetic heritage of the New World’s first inhabitants was “ancestrally coming from the Ice Age in Western Europe.”
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I think he means Siberian ancestors.



http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12...nations-story/
Yes I do sorry. I misspelled and my phone "corrected" it.I have now fixed it.
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:43 AM   #47
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Yes I do sorry. I misspelled and my phone "corrected" it.I have now fixed it.
That's cool I learned a bit too.
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I have a in law who is working for the First nations on this subject.He mentioned the concern over being able to produce enough evidence of legal owner ship of the first nations through their own written history . on how they came to aquire the land. Had they come into the land and no one was here, did they take it by force? Did they barter for the land? . His main concern is the link First nations share DNA link with Siberian ancestors. It may sound obtuse but It does set precedent and questionable doubt could be set with how the land was obtained.
I don't understand how land ownership can be extended to a race or ethnic group in general. I own my property, but that doesn't mean it belongs to the white race. Even if there was some type of demographic shift where my land had someone else settle on it, I don't think it makes sense that in 400 years, a group of white guys could come along and claim it.
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I don't understand how land ownership can be extended to a race or ethnic group in general. I own my property, but that doesn't mean it belongs to the white race. Even if there was some type of demographic shift where my land had someone else settle on it, I don't think it makes sense that in 400 years, a group of white guys could come along and claim it.
It has nothing to do with trace or ethnicity. They're trying to use the DNA link to prove ancestry with original group of owners of the land
Your analogy makes no sense
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It has nothing to do with trace or ethnicity. They're trying to use the DNA link to prove ancestry with original group of owners of the land
Your analogy makes no sense
I don't know if there was the concept of owning the land back then...there case settled!
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I don't know if there was the concept of owning the land back then...there case settled!
This I actually agree with, but I get irritated with the "they want social rights because they're native"
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