Malaysia Airlines flight crashes in Ukraine

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

For a bunch of rebels, they sure seem pretty organized..

Honestly, how transparent is organizing a train with freezer cars, seizing bodies and coordinating seizure of evidence from the crash site. Etc..

Putin... Soooo stupid...

This is no different then any state sponsored insurgency action. Lots of funds from a nation state. Probably training groups made of of special forces, lavish arms and equipment.

Eventually you see specialized troops such as anti-air, or pilots or elite infantry groups taking part as "Volunteers"

[djsFlames]

Imagine what the families of these victims think of this. Disgusting.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Imagine what the families of these victims think of this. Disgusting.

No kidding. They have made the corpses into a bargaining chip. The only good thing that will come out of this is that the rebels and their supporters in Russia will hasten their international isolation with this behaviour.

[CaptainCrunch]

Chances are that the Russian's don't want those bodies going anywhere til they get a look at them. There will be missile fragments in some of the bodies .

[chemgear]

This would be funny if it were not so sad (and frankly scary).


http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782

Did you know Malaysia Air Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam? Did you know that, for some darkly inexplicable reason, on July 17, MH17 moved off the standard flight path that it had taken every time before, and moved north, toward rebel-held areas outside Donetsk? Or that the dispatchers summoned the plane lower just before the crash? Or that the plane had been recently reinsured? Or that the Ukrainian army has air defense systems in the area? Or that it was the result of the Ukrainian military mistaking MH17 for Putin’s presidential plane, which looks strangely similar?

Did you know that the crash of MH17 was all part of an American conspiracy to provoke a big war with Russia?

Well, it’s all true—at least if you live in Russia, because this is the Malaysia Airlines crash story that you’d be seeing.

And that’s when they’re not simply peddling conspiracy theories, which have become a kind of symbiotic feedback loop between state TV and the most inventive corners of the Internet. The best of the bunch is, of course, an elaborate one: MH17 is actually MH370, that Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared into the Indian Ocean. According to this theory, the plane didn’t disappear at all, “it was taken to an American military base, Diego-Garcia.”

Then it was taken to Holland. On the necessary day and hour, it flew out, bound for Malaysia, but inside were not live people, but corpses. The plane was flown not by real pilots; it was on autopilot. Or take-off (a complicated procedure) was executed by live pilots, who then ejected on parachutes. Then the plane flew automatically. In the necessary spot, it was blown up, without even using a surface-to-air missile. Instead the plane was packed with a bomb, just like the CIA did on 9/11.

[burn_this_city]

Makes sense to me, tower, and mikey.

[GirlySports]

so what happens now? The Dutch are really pissed but they're the Dutch (a small country). Could NATO or EU get involved if the bodies don't come back? Could a war start?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

so what happens now? The Dutch are really pissed but they're the Dutch (a small country). Could NATO or EU get involved if the bodies don't come back? Could a war start?

NATO won't get involved, nor will the EU.

We might see some more sanctions, and rhetoric, but I doubt there will be any actual action.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

NATO won't get involved, nor will the EU.

We might see some more sanctions, and rhetoric, but I doubt there will be any actual action.

Do you think the lack of action would make the rebels want to facilitate more attacks since they may think they can get away with it?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by cKy

Do you think the lack of action would make the rebels want to facilitate more attacks since they may think they can get away with it?

I think their Russian masters will hold them in check until the anger dies down.

But the Rebels so to speak are there to stay and probably digging in hard.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

NATO won't get involved, nor will the EU.

We might see some more sanctions, and rhetoric, but I doubt there will be any actual action.

Just out of curiosity, what would it have taken for NATO to have gotten involved?

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Just out of curiosity, what would it have taken for NATO to have gotten involved?

A few more missiles launched at commercial aircraft?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

so what happens now? The Dutch are really pissed but they're the Dutch (a small country). Could NATO or EU get involved if the bodies don't come back? Could a war start?

I have worked with the Dutch military, and know a retired Dutch Comando. I would not want to piss off their non-conscript portion of their army.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Just out of curiosity, what would it have taken for NATO to have gotten involved?

Honestly? Something that would cause the US, Britain, Canada, etc. to be willing to go to war with Russia. And there isn't much. That's why Putin is turning into a tin-pot dictator. He knows he can get away with it.

[nik-]

the title of this thread needs to be updated.

"Drunk ####### Russian separatists shoot down civilian plane - cover up begins"

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Honestly? Something that would cause the US, Britain, Canada, etc. to be willing to go to war with Russia. And there isn't much. That's why Putin is turning into a tin-pot dictator. He knows he can get away with it.

Sadly, you are bang on with this post.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Honestly? Something that would cause the US, Britain, Canada, etc. to be willing to go to war with Russia. And there isn't much. That's why Putin is turning into a tin-pot dictator. He knows he can get away with it.

An attack on a NATO ally asset with a large loss of life.

Or a UN request to intervene.

Neither of those is going to happen.

Plus NATO knows that a war in the Ukraine would be a terrible and nasty blood bath.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by cKy

Do you think the lack of action would make the rebels want to facilitate more attacks since they may think they can get away with it?

The rebels have no interest in shooting down commercial airliners. It's a terrible mistake but if they get away with it won't make them want to do it again

[Street Pharmacist]

Because of power lines, to avoid world war 3, Russia would have to alienate themselves even from China. That would be difficult.
Even if they do, Russia is a very formidable enemy and can call on Iran for back up in sure

[GP_Matt]

I think the far more likely result of Russian aggression will be financial.
Both sides will suffer, but Russia should crack first. That will go a lot easier though if China is on board.