Article: What does Cheveldayoff do exactly?

[OutOfTheCube]

If anyone was curious, the Flames have made 4 NHL player for player trades involving the acquisition of 6 players in that time frame:

Kotalik/Regehr for Butler/Byron
Langkow for Stempniak
Bourque for Cammalleri (other minor pieces involved)
Tanguay/Sarich for Jones/O'Brien

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What that team needs is an experienced gm. If you have reputable hockey men like Maurice willing to go there, I don't think it's a problem attracting players due to the perception that no one wants to play or work there. Rather it's an organisational problem. Like the article notes, Chevy is only accountable to a businessman which was like the Flames before Burke and we know how well that worked. Problem is the owner, who is a good businessman but doesn't appear to have much knowledge of hockey...

I can agree with your assessment of the general effectiveness in Winnipeg's hockey ops. dept., but I am not convinced by the bolded part. Yes, it is an organisational problem, but one that I fear they are married to, and not likely at any point in the near future from which to escape. The problem is much deeper than merely the owner's perceived ignorance of hockey. The problem is that the team is entrenched within a perfect storm of its financial constrictions, geographical constrictions and public perception, and the unhealthy relationship between ownership and management.

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

As long as Chipman remains loyal to a fault and fans keep buying tickets, the Jets are doomed to mediocrity which is too bad as those fans deserve so much better.

As soon as Jets fans stop buying tickets, that market is in serious trouble. Unlike virtually every other market in the NHL, the team needs to sell out consistently just to be viable. Eventually, they need to win, and in the current market, they are unlikely to win without some freedom to spend some money, which they simply do not have.

And I agree with Finger Cookin—the fans deserve whatever they get.

[gilligans_off]

[Samuelsson]

It's sad you know, this subject. I'm a member of jetshockeyforum and, I'm known as the resident troll on there because I like to bring the real facts to fellow Jets fans. The support Chevy gets on there is really, really confusing and completely unwarranted, as backed up by that article.

He's traded away more draft picks than he's acquired. Everyone says "yeah, but we're never going to attract major UFA's, so 'draft and develop' is our mantra, which Chevy is doing very well!" - is he? Isn't that what every GM/team tries to do? To draft and develop their young players through the draft? Just because the draft is their sole focus because they're such an underperforming team at the minute, doesn't mean they've got some secret advantage on other teams;

So far they've got a stud in Trouba, and Scheif looks like he can turn out to be a good second-liner. But again, it's not as if Chevy's pulled a rabbit out of the hat with Trouba - other teams draft good players, too. He used a second-rounder on Lukas Sutter whom they didn't sign, and they traded 2 draft picks (I forget what round they were now - 2nd/3rd?) to move up and take Zach Yuen, whom again, they didn't sign. So much for 'draft-and-develop'.

So many fixes you can make on that team. Trade Buff would be the first. Bin Pavelec would be the second. Trade for a good center to play with Kane, or if not then trade him too. If it's not working, fix it; don't sit there and do nothing, hoping miraculously that the team will suddenly change fortunes.

I put a throwaway comment on there, something along the lines of "Chevy's basically trying to save his job", and instantly got shot down; but I think that'll be true halfway into the season. What is it a GM gets on average, 2 coaches? He's on his second...

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I can agree with your assessment of the general effectiveness in Winnipeg's hockey ops. dept., but I am not convinced by the bolded part. Yes, it is an organisational problem, but one that I fear they are married to, and not likely at any point in the near future from which to escape. The problem is much deeper than merely the owner's perceived ignorance of hockey. The problem is that the team is entrenched within a perfect storm of its financial constrictions, geographical constrictions and public perception, and the unhealthy relationship between ownership and management.


As soon as Jets fans stop buying tickets, that market is in serious trouble. Unlike virtually every other market in the NHL, the team needs to sell out consistently just to be viable. Eventually, they need to win, and in the current market, they are unlikely to win without some freedom to spend some money, which they simply do not have.

And I agree with Finger Cookin—the fans deserve whatever they get.

Chipman has actually opened the chequebook but problem is his gm is using it poorly. Starts in net with pavelec, singing him to that kind of term and money was foolish. Granted he's had to overpay to get the likes of Wheeler, Bogosian and Little to stay. But he's made some very poor decisions (Pavelec, Setoguchi) which speaks to his incompetence.

As for the "Winnipeg" problem, look back to the first incarnation of the Jets and that issue may be overblown. You had players who came there who genuinely liked playing there (Selanne, Hawerchuk) and only left because ownership wouldn't pay the market rates Tkachuk liked it there as well enough to marry a local girl and ended up moving with the team to Phoenix). Yes, there will be players that avoid it like the plague but maybe they take an approach like the Raptors do in the nba and draft more Europeans who don't have that perception of Winnipeg that North Americans seem to.

[Resolute 14]

One has to wonder that, if Winnipeg had acquired a goaltender and maybe a defenceman late last season, if they could have survived long enough to sneak into that final playoff spot in place of Dallas. Unfortunately for the Jets, that failure was also their door closing. With Kane wanting out and the top five teams in the Central being so far ahead of them now, the Jets are now a few years away. They would be wise to dump the GM and bring in someone who knows what he is doing if they want any hope of having a decade-long playoff drought.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

...As for the "Winnipeg" problem, look back to the first incarnation of the Jets and that issue may be overblown. You had players who came there who genuinely liked playing there (Selanne, Hawerchuk) and only left because ownership wouldn't pay the market rates Tkachuk liked it there as well enough to marry a local girl and ended up moving with the team to Phoenix). Yes, there will be players that avoid it like the plague but maybe they take an approach like the Raptors do in the nba and draft more Europeans who don't have that perception of Winnipeg that North Americans seem to.

It's not the same now as it was in the nineties when the Jets were moved. Players of the current era seem to harbour fewer team loyalties, and will follow the money and the chance to win. In spite of their "willingness" to spend, the Jets are still a bottom-third NHL team in payroll, in a League where the current cap is $69 m., and likely to continue to rise. They need to be managed better, but at this point one can't help but wonder about the long-term stability of the balance between fan patience, ticket prices, and the time required for the team to start winning, against the likelihood of becoming close to a cap team in order to become more competitive.

[Alberta_Beef]

they should fire Chevy and hire Feaster. He will have no issues dismantling their core and adding to their prospect base.

[ricardodw]

Does LA make the playoffs with Muzzin / Richards / Voynov and Kopitar missing 20 games each?

The Kings were 11 pts better than 9th place.

The Jets were 7 pts out of 8th spot

Trouba / Scheifele / Bogosian / Kane


The Jets farm team went to the AHL Finals.


Compare that to the most talented Flames AHL team in recent memory.... Granlund / Baertschi / Rienhart / Wootherspoon / Knight / Poirier / Breen / Street /Ortio who went down with barely a whimper in the first round.

It would kind of indicate that their young guys are closer to prime time than the Flames

Maurice took over the team and got them to play 18-12-5 over the last 35 games - A 96 pts pace and 7/8 standing without Scheifele and Bogosian

Wheeler - Little - Ladd
Kane - Scheifle -Byfuglien

Bogosian - Trouba
Enstrom - Stuart/ Morrissey


Is a playoff teams top-6 and top-4....

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

...The Jets farm team went to the AHL Finals.


Compare that to the most talented Flames AHL team in recent memory.... Granlund / Baertschi / Rienhart / Wootherspoon / Knight / Poirier / Breen / Street /Ortio who went down with barely a whimper in the first round.

It would kind of indicate that their young guys are closer to prime time than the Flames...

All these sorts of things require a broader context. The Heat were beaten 3 games to 1 by the defending champions within arguably the best goalie in the League, and who then took this year's champions to seven games. Only two out of their five top scorers were over 25-years old, and their starting goaltender was only 23-years-old. The Heat were one of the youngest teams in the league this past season. Merely judging the playoff results of their AHL affiliates to suggest where an NHL team is developmentally is selective, and does not provide an accurate picture of the future without considering factors of age and competition.

[Sylvanfan]

Thats nice Ricardo, but where is the playoff calibre goaltending? They will not have a shot at the playoffs until they do something about the one position that trumps the others.

[Erick Estrada]

Oh Ricardo. For one the Kings are built for the playoffs and not the regular season where intensity is hard to keep up for 82 games. They will probably never finish atop the Western Conference but they will be a cup contender annually regardless of where they finish.

AHL Championships have absolutely zero to do with quality of prospects as it's usually veteran-laden teams that win the Calder Cup.

Jets are a flawed team as they are lacking quality goaltending and the overall mix of players just isn't working.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Maurice took over the team and got them to play 18-12-5 over the last 35 games - A 96 pts pace and 7/8 standing without Scheifele and Bogosian

Wheeler - Little - Ladd
Kane - Scheifle -Byfuglien

Bogosian - Trouba
Enstrom - Stuart/ Morrissey


Is a playoff teams top-6 and top-4....

Yikes, using a small sample size from a new coach to try and help your argument is never a good sign.

Not to mention the Jets won a bunch of games in a row when Maurice took over, which usually happens with new coaches, but then they fell back to playing 500 hockey.

The Jets have some good players, but they lack forward depth and goaltending.

I don't see what they have done to address that this off-season.

[Brannigans Law]

the Jets are actually not a terrible team, they're fairly average. Nothing to really be ashamed of.... but they do have quite possibly the worst NHL goaltending in a decade. I'm amazed we lost to them last year frankly and don't expect that to continue next year (barring goaltender changes I guess).

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Thats nice Ricardo, but where is the playoff calibre goaltending? They will not have a shot at the playoffs until they do something about the one position that trumps the others.

Agree with that... Pavlec does not inspire confidence... Although he is only 26.... Kiprusoff was 27 when the Sharks gave up on him.

I thought that Textcritic was saying the Jets AHL was unfair because they were using a 23 old goalie:

Hutchinson is 24 and over the season with St. John's he was 17-5-1 with a .923 SV % and 2.30 GA

In his 21 playoff games his save % went up to .938 and GA down to 1.95

His 3 game NHL stint save % .943 and GA 1.64


Crawford gave no indications that he was a playoff caliber goalie and then he was.

Detroit did okay with Howard.


The Flames on the other hand had HOF (or at least elite) goalie Kipper who was a lackluster 9-16 in the playoffs after his 2004 run.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Crawford gave no indications that he was a playoff caliber goalie and then he was.

Detroit did okay with Howard.


The Flames on the other hand had HOF (or at least elite) goalie Kipper who was a lackluster 9-16 in the playoffs after his 2004 run.

Toews, Patrick Kane, Sharp, and Hossa are all better than any Jets forward. Keith and Seabrook are ahead of anyone on their defence. They are good enough with their talent to overcome goaltending. Detroit was getting by with Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Lidstrom. Remove Lidstrom now and they are an 8th place team in a Conference that isn't as strong. Plus I think Howard is better andmore consistent than Pavelic.

Winnepeg has a collection of 3-6 forwards and 2-4 defenceman. Without elite level game breakers they will not win unless they get Hall of Fame level goaltending.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Does LA make the playoffs with Muzzin / Richards / Voynov and Kopitar missing 20 games each?

Yes and Winnipeg didn't come close to losing a guy as good as Kopitar or Voynov.

Wheeler - Little - Ladd
Kane - Scheifle -Byfuglien

Bogosian - Trouba
Enstrom - Stuart/ Morrissey


Is a playoff teams top-6 and top-4....

That is a weak play-off top 6 and outright bad top 4 defense for a play-off team. Maybe in the pathetic East that is good enough for 8th if they get lucky.

[icecube]

I imagine Cheveldayoff plays a ton of farmville, candy crush and solitaire while having one thumb planted firmly up his butt.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yep. The Jets have flown under the radar letting teams like the Oilers, Islanders, and Panthers have the limelight of dysfunction but they are every bit as incompetent. Just a mess.

Florida made the playoffs in 2011-12 The Islanders in 2012-13

Maybe it's the Oilers and Flames are the teams that are the poster children for dysfunction.

The rest of the world must look and see the Flames trading Phanuef for magic beans, Signing Bouwmeester to a huge contract, Trading Regher for Byron, offering Brad Richard's more money than was sane, bringing in Cervenka as the #1 centre, and then making an offer sheet for ROR. Trading Iginla without him agreeing to the trade and missing the playoffs for 5 straight years and likely another 2 or 3 more.

Yet the Flames Fans are filling the arena and putting up with this!!


PS. You can add not immediately firing Feaster when John Davidson was interested in running the Flames ... Columbus was as bad as the Oilers and Flames when Davidson went there instead of Calgary.... because Calgary didn't need him...

Also add Shanahan turning down Burke's job.

[trackercowe]

^ ffs what a dumb post.