Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd7

[AC]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

gibberish?

I don't get it, what part of MMF's post was confusing?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What's wrong with Colborne?

Am I wrong it's difficult to find comparisons for Jankowski?

IIRC Estrada was the first to mention the Colborne-Jankowski comparison over a year ago, didn't have a problem with it then, don't now.

In no way was I saying there was anything wrong with Colborne. Your statement is confusing. He comes off much better than Jankowski if you follow his progress. With saying this the Leafs had to trade him as he'd run out of time with them. How much time should we give Jankowski as he's on a slower path?

If you don't have a problem with the Jankowski comparison why do you say it's difficult to find a comparison. Thus gibberish.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

How much time should we give Jankowski as he's on a slower path?

4 years in college, 2 in AHL seems fair to me.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's almost impossible to find a comparison for Jankowski, someone who made the leap from Canadian High School hockey to NCAA leap.

so someone like Zajac and Chucko playing in the BCHL and going to a Canadian High school to be academical accepted for their sports scholarships to the NCAA aren't the same?

Zajac as a Freshman at UND 36 pts in 43 games a sophomore 47 pts in 46 games and the next year 42 pts in 80 games with the Devils.

Meanwhile Chucko went the Jankowski development path: Freshman 21 pts in 43 games sophomore 13 pts in 33 games and at that point the Flames could have declared him a mistake.

Any first round pick (picked in the first 3 rounds) should be front line player (at least top 6) as a 19 year old Freshman in the NCAA and pretty dominate by his second year.

Johnny G had 44 pts in 44 games as a Freshman....

On the same team that Jankowski put up 25 pts in 33 games Freshman 4 month younger than super-J drafted #146 in 2013 by Buffalo put in 11 pts in 30 games. Anthony Florentino is 6-1 210 , 4 months younger than Jankowski and is a Defenseman.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

In no way was I saying there was anything wrong with Colborne. Your statement is confusing. He comes off much better than Jankowski if you follow his progress. With saying this the Leafs had to trade him as he'd run out of time with them. How much time should we give Jankowski as he's on a slower path?

If you don't have a problem with the Jankowski comparison why do you say it's difficult to find a comparison. Thus gibberish.

Jankowski isnt even20 friggin years old yet...little early to be burying him completely...no?

Colbone was 23 when he was dealt.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Because it is difficult? He's had a very unique path, different then any other prospect. Most prospects you can find many comparables, if you're drafted from the CHL it's easy to find them. Bennett, Monahan etc etc all have lots of comparable players. Just because you found one doesn't mean it's easy to find many. Don't know why it's gibberish or why you have a problem with it. Blake Wheeler is another name I've mentioned previously.

I've also been saying for the past couple years that based on development path I'm hoping Jankowski's 3rd year (this year) will be a bigger one.

As for how much time we should give Jankowski? No idea. I've been a strong proponent of being patient with players and not dumping them if they aren't on the fast path or on the path we initially thought. My thoughts on this were stated several times when talking about Backlund the past couple years. Give the player time to grow and see what you've got. Like Backlund, I hope the Flames management and fans have the ability to adapt if the player isn't what they thought he would be at first. Jankowski is developing a strong two-way game in College, if he doesn't make it as a scorer he could have a place in the NHL as a strong two-way 3rd line guy, similar to the way Backlund changed.

Colborne was given up on, but the Hartley was smart enough to see his future wasn't at center, but down the wing.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so someone like Zajac and Chucko playing in the BCHL and going to a Canadian High school to be academical accepted for their sports scholarships to the NCAA aren't the same?

No.

The BCHL, AJHL, and comparable leagues across Canada always have a couple or a few players drafted each year. Jankowski was playing Prep League hockey, not in the BCHL etc. I don't know why you brought up the fact Chucko or Zajac where in High School at the time, that has nothing to do with anything.

Any first round pick (picked in the first 3 rounds) should be front line player (at least top 6) as a 19 year old Freshman in the NCAA and pretty dominate by his second year.

Speaking of gibberish.

Any first round pick (picked in the first 3 rounds)? What does that mean.

As a 19 year old freshmen? Jankowski was a freshmen at 18.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Great post AC. Age matters, you always have to compare apples to apples.

It would also be nice for people to consider the situation each player was in. Knight's team scored 178 goals to Jankowski's 115. Knight's 14 goals was 5th in goal scoring compared to Jankowski's 2nd with 13. It is a freaking miracle that Jankowski scored 25 points playing for an offensive juggernaut like the Friars. But I digress, as Jankowski was working on learning the systemic issues that were supposed to be the big thing holding him back compared to his peers. One last thing people need to remember, Jankowski is a whole month older than Sean Monahan. Patience people!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Jankowski isnt even20 friggin years old yet...little early to be burying him completely...no?

Colbone was 23 when he was dealt.

Now you're going to extremes. I haven't said we should bury him but the possibility is he may not be signed.

[mile]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Any first round pick (picked in the first 3 rounds) should be front line player (at least top 6) as a 19 year old Freshman in the NCAA and pretty dominate by his second year.

Chris Kreider posted pretty "mild" stats in his first two years with offensive powerhouse Boston College being drafted out of high school - one of the few situations that could be comparable to Jankowski. I expect Jankowski to produce just below PPG next season.

The players you mentioned were already playing at a higher level than Jankowski when they were drafted, and it's difficult to connect stats between them given their circumstances.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Now you're going to extremes. I haven't said we should bury him but the possibility is he may not be signed.

Well him being signed or not is entirely moot since he cant be signed until he is done with school.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Because it is difficult? He's had a very unique path, different then any other prospect. Most prospects you can find many comparables, if you're drafted from the CHL it's easy to find them. Bennett, Monahan etc etc all have lots of comparable players. Just because you found one doesn't mean it's easy to find many. Don't know why it's gibberish or why you have a problem with it. Blake Wheeler is another name I've mentioned previously.

I've also been saying for the past couple years that based on development path I'm hoping Jankowski's 3rd year (this year) will be a bigger one.

As for how much time we should give Jankowski? No idea. I've been a strong proponent of being patient with players and not dumping them if they aren't on the fast path or on the path we initially thought. My thoughts on this were stated several times when talking about Backlund the past couple years. Give the player time to grow and see what you've got. Like Backlund, I hope the Flames management and fans have the ability to adapt if the player isn't what they thought he would be at first. Jankowski is developing a strong two-way game in College, if he doesn't make it as a scorer he could have a place in the NHL as a strong two-way 3rd line guy, similar to the way Backlund changed.

Colborne was given up on, but the Hartley was smart enough to see his future wasn't at center, but down the wing.

Backlund played 23 games for the Flames in his third year after his draft. There was zero reason to give up on Backlund.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Backlund played 23 games for the Flames in his third year after his draft. There was zero reason to give up on Backlund.

You don't have to tell me that.

[Neeper]

Went with Wotherspoon. After that, I like Reinhart then Ortio. I am surprised Ortio isn't getting more love than Gilles. This kid has tons of potential.

[FlameZilla]

Went with Jankowski for his upside.

Considered Sieloff, Wotherspoon & Reinhart.

[Split98]

Went with Sieloff. I even voted him in round 2

Really think this kid is going to be an incredibly important player for us for years to come.

[SuperMatt18]

Look at Kevin Hayes first two seasons at Boston College. Pretty much identical stats to Janko but on a better offensive team.

He doesn't seem to be written off and he is looking like he will be highly sought after on August 15th.

Seems like a pretty good comparable for being patient with Jankowski.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You don't have to tell me that.

So why are you using Backlund as an example of your great patience with a prospect. Maybe you should look up that poster who hates Backlund so you can have an argument.

[stemit14]

I also think Jankowski will have a breakout year this season. Providence is expected to be good and he should be one of the top guys playing top minutes on that team. I think he has all the intangibles to be a great player in the NHL... Hopefully it all comes together this year for him. I understand one of the rare qualities he has for someone his size is great foot speed to go with great hands. A 6'3" center who is fast and has great hands? We should all be willing to be patient if it takes a few years to translate that into an NHLer.

[sun]

Gotta go with 'spoon. Really liked how he looked for the Flames last year - like a legit NHLer.