Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd6

[Erick Estrada]

Going with the guy I voted at 5. Wotherspoon looks like he will graduate soon to a 5/6 position which is fantastic given where he was picked but I don't know how much higher his ceiling is. IMO Klimchuk is the best prospect fans don't talk about.

[Fire]

I picked Ortio because he has a decent chance on being a #1 goalie in the NHL. No one besides Gillies has that type of potential. Klimchuk upside is 2nd liner, Wotherspoon upside is 2nd pairing, Reinhart upside is 3rd liner.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Klimchuk for the second round in a row.

It will be interesting to see where Jankowski slots in on this poll. He's such an unknown commodity that it's tough to place him. I'm factoring potential ceiling and likelihood to reach potential into these rankings, so I have to think Jankowski pops up somewhere after Wotherspoon/Sieloff/Reinhart/Ortio/Gillies/McDonald... Is it possible that he's not even one of our top 10 prospects?

Jankowski strikes me as a Colborne-type. He's going to take a lot of time to develop and his ceiling is a complete unknown. The organization will need to be patient with him. If he develops into a Joel Otto type player I'll be thrilled because I don't see him besting Monahan and Bennett at C. But who knows, maybe he finds a new gear and lights up the NCAA next year.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But that IS what is happening. Yes the votes are separate, but at the end we are going end up with a final list of 1-30 by combining the results. And If I voted Gaudreau, Bennet, Ortio, Ortio, Ortio... that player has more of my votes than other players do. I could spend the whole process voting for one player. That's not a fair ranking system IMO.

I don't know how you could come up with that conclusion when Bingo is removing the winner of each previous round from the choices.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But that IS what is happening. Yes the votes are separate, but at the end we are going end up with a final list of 1-30 by combining the results. And If I voted Gaudreau, Bennet, Ortio, Ortio, Ortio... that player has more of my votes than other players do. I could spend the whole process voting for one player. That's not a fair ranking system IMO.

But I'm obviously in the minority here, so I'll drop it. I am going to keep voting this way though.



I'm a revolutionary, man.

So, what do you do when the player you would have voted for in a ranking is already off the board?

Let's say that your personal ranking was Bennett, Baertschi, and Gaudreau as 1, 2, 3... So, you vote for Bennett first. Gaudreau wins the first round. For the second round, you still believe that Bennett is the best player on the list, but you vote for Baertschi instead? Then, the third round comes along, and your vote is for Gaudreau, but he's off the list...so, do you just not vote that round or do you vote for your #4?

[circle]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I don't know how you could come up with that conclusion when Bingo is removing the winner of each previous round from the choices.

[Joe Nieuwendyk]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I am going to keep voting this way though.

If I was Ortio, I would be very sad to hear this

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But that IS what is happening. Yes the votes are separate, but at the end we are going end up with a final list of 1-30 by combining the results. And If I voted Gaudreau, Bennet, Ortio, Ortio, Ortio... that player has more of my votes than other players do. I could spend the whole process voting for one player. That's not a fair ranking system IMO.

But I'm obviously in the minority here, so I'll drop it. I am going to keep voting this way though.

I can see your point, but what you might be missing is that in your example, Ortio gets extra votes. This will be balanced by other people choosing their pick multiple times. I suspect this balances out, or at least I would expect it to. Leaving us with what is still a pretty good measure of the relative ranking. Essentially, everyone has the same number of votes, and can choose how to allot them.

[N26]

[QUOTE=MattyC;4851779]But that IS what is happening. Yes the votes are separate, but at the end we are going end up with a final list of 1-30 by combining the results. And If I voted Gaudreau, Bennet, Ortio, Ortio, Ortio... that player has more of my votes than other players do. I could spend the whole process voting for one player. That's not a fair ranking system IMO.

But I'm obviously in the minority here, so I'll drop it. I am going to keep voting this way though.QUOTE]

The poll question is "Who is the best remaining prospect of the remaining names?" but you are choosing to answer a different question, You are answering "Who should be ranked #(whatever the round number is)?"

I understand the points you are making but ultimately by answering a question that hasn't been asked you are not really participating in this poll but skewering the results. By a very small amount but still you are not answering the question asked.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Klimchuk all day long, not sure how it's even a debate. Pretty sure it wouldn't be if he was 2 years older. I wonder how many GMs would trade Klimchuk for Granlund, Reinhart or Ortio?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by getbak

So, what do you do when the player you would have voted for in a ranking is already off the board?

Let's say that your personal ranking was Bennett, Baertschi, and Gaudreau as 1, 2, 3... So, you vote for Bennett first. Gaudreau wins the first round. For the second round, you still believe that Bennett is the best player on the list, but you vote for Baertschi instead? Then, the third round comes along, and your vote is for Gaudreau, but he's off the list...so, do you just not vote that round or do you vote for your #4?

In short - yes haha.

That happened with Ortio and Baertschi for me. I ranked Ortio 3 but Sven was the consensus 3. I had Poirier at 4 so I put him there but then when 5 came I chose Granlund as Sven was gone and he was next.

I guess removing the winner from each round does have my method making less sense, I just found it redundant (and boring) to be voting for the same person multiple times in a row.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Klimchuk for the second round in a row.

It will be interesting to see where Jankowski slots in on this poll. He's such an unknown commodity that it's tough to place him. I'm factoring potential ceiling and likelihood to reach potential into these rankings, so I have to think Jankowski pops up somewhere after Wotherspoon/Sieloff/Reinhart/Ortio/Gillies/McDonald... Is it possible that he's not even one of our top 10 prospects?

Ferland would also be ahead of him IMO.

Jankowski would be in the group that include Knight, Arnold, Agostino, Hanowski, and Jooris who all had better NCCA careers.

almost certainly not top 10

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Ferland would also be ahead of him IMO.

Jankowski would be in the group that include Knight, Arnold, Agostino, Hanowski, and Jooris who all had better NCCA careers.

almost certainly not top 10

Jankowski's College career is at the halfway point. Not close to bring over, so can't say that yet.

[FeyWest]

Dangit I forgot Klimchuk... didn't see his name on the list I'm out of it today. Klimchuk then Ortio for me not sure if my vote can be changed, didn't see a way to change my vote.

But yes Klimmer made a strong impression on me with his Dev Camp showing, he's gonna be a gooder I think in the near future!

[Enoch Root]

Voted Klimchuk. Wotherspoon is fine too.

One thing I am enjoying from the comments is that there is not 1 but 2! goalies in the mix (with a 3rd in behind)

[djsFlames]

Our prospect pool consists of more than just forwards. Just in case some of you were not aware.

Wotherspoon the obvious choice here. Klimchuk hasn't even graduated to the pros yet.

[#-3]

2nd time for Gillies, Everyone is talking about how Gillies regressed.

But goalies are not like players. Maintaining great number could be seen as progress, by proving they are consistent. I think consistency is the biggest problem with most goalie prospects. (Also he go 2 more wins in 1 less game, progress).


And MattyC is crazy, no clue what he is talking about.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jankowski's College career is at the halfway point. Not close to bring over, so can't say that yet.

these guys all were near to a ppg in their sophomore year.

undrafted Glencross had 34 pts in 37 games in his sophomore year then 3 years in the AhL before he got some 4th line time with Columbus.

It would be hard to research but there are not a lot of NCAA forwards who put up 25 pts in 39 games as a sophomore that go on to play in the AHL.

[jg13]

Klimchuk won by a land slide on HF.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Klimchuck for sure. I think he's going to be amazing actually. This is awesome.

I'll again state that I think Klimchuk is criminally underrated...even for thos who think he is underrated.
Bottom line, I just think he's going to be a very good pro.
(Btw, do really like Granlund as well, so see why he went 5th - pretty great that Flames can have a prospect pool where Klimchuk is not an obvious Top 5).