[News] Joe Colborne up to 6'5, 220lbs

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I'm hoping Poirier will turn out to be that 1st line RW and that Colborne will be a solid #2.

This is pretty much what I was hoping to see, love Colborne and hope he continues to improve, but my RW hopes are pegged on Poirier.

[t0rrent98]

I wonder if Colborne would let me live with him for a couple months so I can gain that much weight with pure muscle... heh.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Fire

Until Colborne shows he's more than he was last year then he is easily replaceable. It was only his first full season in the NHL, but he needs to improve to be anymore than a marginal 3rd liner.

So you're telling us rookies need to improve? And here we thought this was as good as it gets.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Fire

Until Colborne shows he's more than he was last year then he is easily replaceable. It was only his first full season in the NHL, but he needs to improve to be anymore than a marginal 3rd liner.

The player Colborne is today is easily replaceable, true........ but what's your point.

However, Playyers at Colborne's age, that have accomplished what he did last year, and have his potential (just potential, no guarantees) aren't easily available, and therefore not easily replaceable.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The player Colborne is today is easily replaceable, true........ but what's your point.

However, Playyers at Colborne's age, that have accomplished what he did last year, and have his potential (just potential, no guarantees) aren't easily available, and therefore not easily replaceable.

What did he accomplished that was so special last season besides some sweet shootout goals? He had 28 points while playing an average of about 15 minutes a night with decent linemates. Give Galiardi the same ice-time and opportunity as Colborne last season and you would have seen similar results.

If we were talking about a 21 year old rookie that would be different, but he's already reaching the age where some players peak in their career. Even his game at the AHL level wasn't anything special. He's much too passive and you can't teach tenacity.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Fire

What did he accomplished that was so special last season besides some sweet shootout goals? He had 28 points while playing an average of about 15 minutes a night with decent linemates. Give Galiardi the same ice-time and opportunity as Colborne last season and you would have seen similar results.

If we were talking about a 21 year old rookie that would be different, but he's already reaching the age where some players peak in their career. Even his game at the AHL level wasn't anything special. He's much too passive and you can't teach tenacity.

Whom peaks at 24? Maybe some busts have their best seasons at 24, that's generally about it.

24 year olds who have shown potential (there's that word again, and that's what he accomplished last year showed actual potential at the NHL level) to be be top 6 forwards aren't easily replaceable because people don't often let them go because they are very valuable assets.

I think you could likely name a whole whack of players the Flames could replace Colborne's production with last year, but name me on player with his potential, has shown it at the NHL and is close to his age or younger that Flames can simply add to their roster? You can't because they aren't out there.

[AcGold]

He was just too light and probably never really had the ability to play tenaciously when he was so tall and skinny. He'll be a really good player if he can add on another 10 or 15 pounds because then he'll have good hands and be big and strong. With those assets he could easily get 50 points. Big with good hands is rare and worth trying to develop.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fire

Give Galiardi the same ice-time and opportunity as Colborne last season and you would have seen similar results.

See you actually kind of killed your case by saying a guy with over 200+ NHL games under his belt could have produced similar results to a first year player. If Colborne is still the same player 200+ games into his career you may have an argument. Is Monahan easily replaceable because Stajan saw similar results last season? Step up your game Fire!

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Fire

Give Galiardi the same ice-time and opportunity as Colborne last season and you would have seen similar results.

Galiardi got that ice-time and opportunity early in the season, but failed to produce. He had over 17 minutes of ice-time in 7 of the first 8 games of the season.

On the other hand, Colborne didn't play 15 minutes in a game until his 10th game of the season, and in 6 of his first 9, he played less than 10:30.


Over the course of the season, Galiardi averaged 20 seconds more ice time per game than Colborne.

[FlameZilla]

From the Herald:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/touch/s...ml?id=10036075

Colborne’s arbitration hearing is set for Aug. 1 in Toronto, but he doesn’t anticipate the case will make it to a boardroom.

“We’re in a situation where I really want to be here. I love being here,” said the 24-year-old, who produced 10 goals and 28 points in 80 games for the Flames in 2013-14, his first with the Flames after coming over in a trade from the Toronto Maple Leafs. “It’s my hometown, why wouldn’t I? And they want me to be here, so it’s not like some of the past arbitration cases where there’s some hostility involved.

“It’s two sides of the deal that want to get a deal done. And usually when that happens, it gets done.

“So I’m looking forward to when we can move on from it and start looking forward to the season. I’m really excited about the direction we’re moving and some new additions we have. It’s going to be an exciting year.”

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Fire

What did he accomplished that was so special last season besides some sweet shootout goals? He had 28 points while playing an average of about 15 minutes a night with decent linemates. Give Galiardi the same ice-time and opportunity as Colborne last season and you would have seen similar results.

If we were talking about a 21 year old rookie that would be different, but he's already reaching the age where some players peak in their career. Even his game at the AHL level wasn't anything special. He's much too passive and you can't teach tenacity.

what about gio

[Rick M.]

Defencemen typically peak later. Gio had to go to the KHL to get enough ice time to develop.

[Poe969]

Colborne did well for his first full year in the league. Give him time, at least he's trying to get better

[united]

I thought the most underrated part of Colborne's game last year was his ability to spin off checks on the wall. Even at his size last year he was extremely difficult to pin, so this year his ability to escape will be even better with increased strength - should result in more good looks for his linemates.


He works with individual skills coach, Darryl Belfry, in the offseason. Darryl also consults as a skills coach for a bunch of other notable players, including: P. Kane, Tavares, Duchene, Skinner, Pacioretty, Fowler, Okposo, Backlund, and many more.

[Gaskal]

Too bad Colborne doesn't have a mean streak, being a nice Calgary kid. But he's willing to get into scrums for teammates and I'll be just fine with that.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Whom peaks at 24? Maybe some busts have their best seasons at 24, that's generally about it.

Top 6 guys, first line players, and elite superstars often post their best numbers in that 23-25 age range.

But for whatever reason the hockey world loves that myth that a player hits his prime in his late 20s.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by saillias

Top 6 guys, first line players, and elite superstars often post their best numbers in that 23-25 age range.

But for whatever reason the hockey world loves that myth that a player hits his prime in his late 20s.

how convenient, I just read an article dealing with this exact topic yesterday:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/1...s-age-analysis

[Fire]

Originally Posted by getbak

Galiardi got that ice-time and opportunity early in the season, but failed to produce. He had over 17 minutes of ice-time in 7 of the first 8 games of the season.

On the other hand, Colborne didn't play 15 minutes in a game until his 10th game of the season, and in 6 of his first 9, he played less than 10:30.


Over the course of the season, Galiardi averaged 20 seconds more ice time per game than Colborne.

Colborne was getting consistently 17-20 minutes at the end of the season, but still had lack lustre production. I hope I'm wrong and he becomes a consistent 2nd liner who can score 20 goals a season, but I see him dropping down to be a 3rd liner who can pot 10-15 goals a year. Poirier and Ferland will push him down the depth chart in the next few seasons.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by saillias

Top 6 guys, first line players, and elite superstars often post their best numbers in that 23-25 age range.

But for whatever reason the hockey world loves that myth that a player hits his prime in his late 20s.

That's because it's not a myth.
Datsuyks best years were at 28(97 pts) and 29 (97 pts)
St louis best point production was between 27 and 34 with his best statistical season being 30 yrs old(102 pts).
D Sedins were at 28(85 pts) and 29(104 pts).
Zetterbergs were 25, 26, and 29.
Iginla had 4 of his best 5 seasons were between 30 and 34 with his best two coming at 30 and 31 yrs of age.
Hossa had his best seasons at 27 and 28.
J. Thornton, 27 and 28 was his best point production.

And many more...

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by Zevo

That's because it's not a myth.
Datsuyks best years were at 28(97 pts) and 29 (97 pts)
St louis best point production was between 27 and 34 with his best statistical season being 30 yrs old(102 pts).
D Sedins were at 28(85 pts) and 29(104 pts).
Zetterbergs were 25, 26, and 29.
Iginla had 4 of his best 5 seasons were between 30 and 34 with his best two coming at 30 and 31 yrs of age.
Hossa had his best seasons at 27 and 28.
J. Thornton, 27 and 28 was his best point production.

And many more...

You're cherry-picking stats there. Those guys are the exception, not the norm. A lot of marginal players fade into obscurity once they hit their 30s and quickly find themselves out of the league.